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To: Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Marysecretary
No mention is ever made in the bible of Mary atoning or saving mankind. The fact that she gave birth to Christ is the highest gift a woman could hope for, and it was a gift of God, totally unmerited as all Grace is. No doubt she was a righteous woman as Jewish women tended to be, and this was her only merit and as such her goodness came by way of the Law.

Now you will claim that I use a "random generator machine" to produce Scripture backing up the argument and that is your privilege. For serious students of the bible, the following verses will show, by God's word, that one man (Adam)sinned, and sin entered into the world, causing death. Before Adam sinned, there was sin, but the material creation was not subject to it.

Only ONE MAN (Jesus) by his obedience to God, changed this. Mary did not change it and Mary did not atone for us.

All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Romans 5

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

11,940 posted on 03/24/2007 9:41:51 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (I demand the right to be Islamophobic)
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To: 1000 silverlings
No mention is ever made in the bible of Mary atoning or saving mankind. The fact that she gave birth to Christ is the highest gift a woman could hope for, and it was a gift of God, totally unmerited as all Grace is. No doubt she was a righteous woman as Jewish women tended to be, and this was her only merit and as such her goodness came by way of the Law.

Only ONE MAN (Jesus) by his obedience to God, changed this. Mary did not change it and Mary did not atone for us.

Amen, 1000S! Your Scripture Generator comes through again. 8~)

"Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -- Hebrews 10:7-18

No mention of any co-redemptrix.

11,945 posted on 03/24/2007 11:19:03 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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