[Mad Dawg]

Okay. I think I get it. "you guys" think that there is no relationship between the "institutional church" and the sho' 'nuff church. You are assured of your salvation, but not of anyone's membership in the true Church (but clearly you're inclined to make some guesses about some people?) SO you depend on your internal spirit-gifts to see if someone has a gift you need. I'm sorry if I'm not saying this properly.

We trust that some of the charisms of the Holy Spirit DO coincide with the 'institutional church" in the sense that real spiritual gifts are objectively conveyed through the sacrament of ordination.

I keep getting surprised by the consequences of the difference in ecclesiology.

[Marysecretary]

the 'true church' is the body of Christ, not the Catholic Church. You can be saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone. Anyone from any church can be saved if they repent and turn their lives over to Jesus Christ. They then become part of the larger Body of Christ (the true church). I know we disagree on this, Mad Dawg, and it will probably never be resolved on these threads.