[Mad Dawg]

I will speedily grant "Bizarre". But in explanation I plead that we are talking about an old and large organization with lots of stories of visions and visitations.

And in any event your original contention was the naming churches for Mary contradicted our assertion that we don't worship her. That's still a non-sequitur and it was against that proposition that I was arguing.

San Juan Capistrano anyone? (Hint: Capistrano is not San Juan's last name.)

[1000 silverlings]

San Juan Capistrano

Interesting you bring that place name up. I went there in my innocent youth, and what did I find? Not romantic legend of truth, but a tourist trap. The swallows come back all right, just like the geese, the robins, the bluebirds, the sparrows and whatever else migrated south for the winter. The orange groves helped, before Disney chopped them all down. Talk about a disillusionment, lol

[1000 silverlings]

After a year's delay, an expedition led by Father Junipero Serra, arrived at the same site on October 31, 1776, with two padres and an escort of soldiers. The following day, November 1, 1776, the mission was officially dedicated

Ah Father Serra, famous for whipping pregnant Indian women and tying their legs shut so they couldn't give birth to punish them for getting pregnant.