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To: kosta50; Agrarian
So, if you grandparents committed something that caused disgrace to the family, your parents, you and your children and grand children, and all your generations should be disgraced because you are all "one in them?"

No. However, Scriptures tell us that we are one in Adam and one in Christ in different ways. That is why Christ's redemptive work is effective for ALL men. Again, there is a difference between Adam/Christ and the typical man. One of us does not represtent all of humanity.

If it makes you happier, the Catholic church considers original sin a state of exitence, a lack of God. Surely, you understand that we cannot enter heaven WITHOUT God. Thus, the state of original sin prevents one from entering heaven. Not because of what they have done - necessarily - but on their state of existence upon their birth.

But, then, as Agrarian once reminded me (although woithout references), the choices in the world to come shall only be good choices, so the possibility of another Fall will not exist. But, then, neither will freedom. The question that inevitably comes to mind is: why didn't we have it that way from the beginning?

That is interesting. The angels are said to have made an irrevocable decision - yet they maintain free will. I think we will be in the same boat when we enter heaven. As to why we didn't have it from the beginning, I again ask you why do we discipline our children? The Scriptures tell us that we discipline them to teach them. How could Adam learn about perseverance or humility or forbearance otherwise?

Regards

1,168 posted on 12/12/2006 8:10:06 AM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: jo kus

Right. Because of their nature, the angels could only chose once. Their choice is permanent and cannot be repented of or changed. That is because, ss I understand it, they see the essence of goodness and neither act nor will agains it unlike we, who can chose the good and later chose evil because, well, Original Sin.... Up until the moment of death we can choose good or evil. That truth demolishes the idea of onced saved always saved


1,181 posted on 12/12/2006 8:41:25 AM PST by bornacatholic
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