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To: jo kus; fortheDeclaration
Depends on what you mean by saved...

Well, that's a new one. Did Paul and James mean "saved" in two different terms?

And by the way, Paul (if you think he wrote Hebrews) also comments on Abraham being saved - at a DIFFERENT point that you list above...

Hebrews only talks about Abraham's faith and it was at the time when Paul mentions it in Romans.

11,582 posted on 03/21/2007 9:50:28 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Well, that's a new one. Did Paul and James mean "saved" in two different terms?

For me to agree or disagree with you, I must know YOUR definition of "being saved", since it is within that context that Paul and James speak. I never said the two writers meant something different.

Hebrews only talks about Abraham's faith and it was at the time when Paul mentions it in Romans.

Perhaps you need a refresher...

By faith he that is called Abraham, obeyed to go out into a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he abode in the land, dwelling in cottages, with Isaac and Jacob, the co-heirs of the same promise. Heb 11:8-9

Looks like Abraham was doing something to me - it is not just about his faith but about his faith in action. Sounds amazingly similar to what James wrote in James 2... Also, I would like to point out that this is a different point in Abraham's life then Romans!

Regards

11,659 posted on 03/21/2007 9:39:32 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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