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I doubt if Paul was telling women to shut up in church. Lydia, a very active support of Paul's ministry, was instrumental of forming a church. I think you're reading too much into that

+Paul leaves no room for reading "too much into it." I think kawaii's examples are rather clear. Thanks kawaii for your list (post #11,567).

I will add a few more (I borrowed a random verse generator, he, he):

1 Corinthians 11:5 "And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved."

1 Corinthians 11:6 "If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head."

1 Cor 11:8-9 "For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man."

1 Cor 11:10 "For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head."

1 Corinthians 11:13 "Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?"

1 Timothy 2:11 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission."

1 Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."

1 Corinthians 14:34 "women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says."

1 Timothy 2:9 "I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes."

Titus 2:3-4 "Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children."

Just make sure we don't "read too much into it." Yeah, right!

Maybe one day the Protestants will stop denying what +Paul, or [supposedly] Christ speaking through him, as I am often reminded, is saying about women in Church and women in general. Maybe all the "ministresses" and "pastoresses" will be a thing of the past, and maybe, just maybe, all Christian women will "learn in silence and submission" by asking their husbands at home, and enter God's church covered. That's what the Epistles are saying without "reading too much into it."

And maybe the churches will include these verse in our Sunday readings (as these are never read) to remind women who they are and where they belong and how they should act and dress, according to the Apostle, or rather allegedly Christ, speaking through him.

Let's be brutally honest: these verse are a serious problem (if not embarrassment) for Christianity, especially western Christianity. They are approached and handled about the same way as we approach anthropological evidence of man's development, dinosaur bones, etc. with respect to the story of Genesis: denial.

Just as Galileo was accused of "vehement heresy" by the Catholic Church for his physical proof of the heliocentric system that is contrary to the physics claimed in the Bible (see Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 104:5, and Ecclesiastes 1:5).

When he discovered with his 30X telescipe that the moon had craters, the Church denied it claiming that celestial spheres are perfect because all things in the heavens [sic] are perfect, and that the lunar craters are somehow "superimposed" in his telescope by the devil to make us believe otherwise!