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To: HarleyD; Mad Dawg; kosta50

"One would wonder why the Orthodox hasn't adopted it, if that were the case; or why it took 1500 years to finally agree to it. It's invented."

Harley, personally I don't know a single Orthodox person or hierarch who does not believe in the bodily Assumption of the Theotokos into heaven after her death. We simply haven't made it a dogma while Rome has. Rome dogmatizes things more than we do, far more actually but that may say more about the Western mindset or the challenges faced by the Western Church than anything else. We have believed in the Assumption for at least 1500 years.


11,575 posted on 03/21/2007 8:30:06 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Mad Dawg; kosta50
We have believed in the Assumption for at least 1500 years.

It's an interesting time line. You began believing in the assumption AFTER the empire had made Roman Catholicism the state religion and After the followers of the cults of Cybelle and Isis had become parts of your church. Isn't it about this time that the celibacy of priests started to become a big issue?

11,578 posted on 03/21/2007 9:21:51 AM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg; kosta50
Harley, personally I don't know a single Orthodox person or hierarch who does not believe in the bodily Assumption of the Theotokos into heaven after her death.

And the Immaculate Conception?

11,590 posted on 03/21/2007 10:25:53 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Kolokotronis

personally I don't know a single Orthodox person or hierarch who does not believe in the bodily Assumption of the Theotokos into heaven after her death.
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Sorry Kolo, but I'm shocked at the nonsense that the more TRADITIONAL AND TRADITION BOUND sects come up with. That's just incredible. Hard to fathom. Except that I'm keenly aware of the heart of man as well as group forces.

At least 2-3 times folks tried to tie Christ back to his "family obligations" vis a vis Mary, particularly.

EACH AND EVERY TIME RECORDED HE ESSENTIALLY GENTLY REBUKED THE WHOLE IDEA AND INSTEAD DIRECTED PEOPLE TO HEARING AND DOING THE WILL OF THE FATHER.

Clearly, millions of people have been exceedingly misled on that score.


11,616 posted on 03/21/2007 2:02:00 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY, HIM & HIS KINGDOM 1ST)
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