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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg; Quix; HarleyD; kawaii; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg
why is she higher than any of the other many Biblical figures who heard God's word and obeyed?

Because the word she received asked more of her. I am not aware of another mother of God, or mother of another god.

11,516 posted on 03/20/2007 9:53:46 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg; Quix; HarleyD; kawaii; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg
Because the word she received asked more of her.

Huh???

I am not aware of another mother of God, or mother of another god.

Nine months of being pregnant? Is that what was asked of her? As a matter of fact, if memory serves me correctly, Mary wasn't asked but was told.

11,520 posted on 03/20/2007 10:03:29 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; Blogger; Forest Keeper; All; Mad Dawg

Oh, I suspect that in

THE ESSENTIALS,

Mary's motherhood was not greatly different than that of

Moses' mother;
Ezekiel's mother;
Jeremiah's mother;
Elijah's mother;
Elisha's mother;
John the Baptist's mother;
Joseph's mother . . .

1. There was plenty of joy and heartache for each of them related to God's uncommon call on their sons' lives.

2. SCRIPTURE did NOT foist Mary up on any pedestal. NONE.

3. There is not a shred of evidence from the time that GOD foisted Mary up on ANY pedestal. NONE.

4. The ONLY route Mary was "elevated" was through !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! and doctrines of men and of demons . . .

5. much as the elevation of the Bishop of Rome being elevated through political power mongering etc.

6. There's plenty of SCRIPTURAL warnings and exhortations to give folks more than pause for even thinking of such a thing. CHRIST IS TO BE ALL IN ALL . . . AS IN ALL in all. That doesn't leave ANYTHING over for Mary or any other mortal.

7. Veneration, adoration and a host of other quasi and literal worship terms and practices toward ANY one else TAKES AWAY what would otherwise be available for GOD ALONE. God is VERY clear throughout OT and NT how HE feels about such robbing of HIS Glory.

8. Rationalizations do not pretty the picture one micro-gram's worth. Idolatry is still idolatry whether it's toward a person, an idea; a system; a philosophy; a TV; a bad seductive habit; . . . whatever.

9. We all must wrestle with varying degrees of such. We win some, lose some if we are earnest in our repentence and resisting the enemy practices. But deliberately elevating any mortal even to "minor" veneration and adoration is AT BEST EXTREMELY SPIRITUALLY HAZARDOUS TO THE ONE VENERATING AND ALSO TO ANY LIVING BEING VENERATED--such as adored Pastors, counselors and the like.

10. It is HUMAN NATURE to make idols of everything and everyone under the sun without much excuse. Sanctioning such with a huge edifice of !!!!TRADITION!!!! and magicsterical pronouncements to assist HUMAN NATURE IN EXPLICITLY SCRIPTURALLY PROSCRIBED EVIL is beyond irresponsible; beyond aiding and abetting . . . Humans do NOT need to be ENCOURAGED to be idolatrous--it comes exceedingly easily and naturally.

11. Labeling idolatry something 'nicer' doesn't wash with God.
Labeling idolatry something !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! of men applaud doesn't cut it with God.

Labeling idolatry something spiritual doesn't cleanse away the evil.
Labeing idolatry something akin to the flag, mother and apple pie doesn't make it sweet and wonderful.

12. Sarah sought to give God an assist once, too--with Hagar. We still suffer therefrom.

Peter was going to help Christ with his sword and Christ rebuked him.

A hapless fellow reached out to steady the Ark of the Covenant and paid with his life.

God offered to meet anyone at the tent of meeting--they wanted a human buffer. God was NOT pleased.

GOD'S STANDARDS AND GOD'S GLORY ARE RATHER AWESOMELY & STRICLY GOD'S DEPARTMENT. WE DEVIATE AT OUR PERIL.

13. Giving ANY attention to Mary as a rationalized assist in reaching God or even reaching toward God in a more tangible humanly acceptable way is an insult to THE WAY God has decreed and provided.

14. Robbing God of Glory due HIM AND HIM ALONE is still robbing God regardless of the lace and phoney spiritual fluff it's all wrapped in.

15. Everyone in the family can tell a PC gamer; an alcoholic; a porn addict; a workaholic; a bingo addict . . . that they idolize their addiction and they will all vigorously insist they are not. I'm not the least bit impressed with folks' insisting that they do not idolize Mary when tons of their words; their voice tones and their actions SCREAM otherwise.


11,532 posted on 03/20/2007 10:48:03 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY, HIM & HIS KINGDOM 1ST)
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