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To: Mad Dawg

Are you willing to say the Catholic Church will not make Mary co-redemptix? Are you as sure as I am?


11,510 posted on 03/20/2007 9:09:25 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Harley, You wrote:
Hmmmm....while I don't like to speak in hypothetical, what exactly would be your reaction if the Latin Church made Mary "co-redemptrix"? You know the Latin Church is very close to this.
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Of course YMMV, but for me knowledge isn't about being sure. So when you ask:
Are you as sure as I am?
and whether I'm prepared to play the horses on this one, I think it's irrelevant to the point I was trying to make, which is about claiming knowledge when what we're dealing with is hunches. But to answer, I don't have an opinion. This is not the kind of thing that keeps me up nights.

The declaration of 1952, which was about The Assumption, not the Immaculate Conception, made de fidesomething that had been discussed for around 1500 years, give or take. When you're dealingin more than a millenium, "close" becomes a pretty vague word, IMHO. When you say "close" and they did it 200 years from now, I'd be hard pressed to say you were wrong.

In any event, I think the opinion, understood as we (or at least, I) have discussed is obvious. If "co-" means equal, my confidence in the Holy Spirit's guidance of the Church leads me to bet against the Church's ever saying that. (I say again: the Idea of Papal Infallibility is not an idea about the Pope so much as an Idea about God's fidelity to the Church). If "co- means merely "with" then I don't think the idea is worthy of a declaration, unless they also make a declaration like "The sky is often blue." To me it's a big duh.

One of my non-Christian heroes is Socrates and I work really hard at not saying "know" unless I know. And I rarely know. That's what twisted my knickers.

11,527 posted on 03/20/2007 10:20:35 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Tactical shotty, Marlin 1894c, S&W 686P, Sig 226 & 239, Beretta 92fs & 8357, Glock 22, & attitude!)
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