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To: HarleyD; Kolokotronis; kosta50; Quix; kawaii; Forest Keeper
The operative illusion here is that co-Redemptrix means anything different than what the Catechism, posted at 11,441, teaches:
she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix

11,462 posted on 03/19/2007 3:53:36 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Alex Murphy

My adoration and commitment and reverence for

JESUS THE CHRIST

is soooooooooooooooooooo intense and extensive . . .

EVEN IF I knew proof positive that He approved of Mary taking on such a blasphemous role,

I WOULD STILL choose to avoid giving any hint of support to it out of my own personal preference to ascribe to HIM ALL GLORY, HONOR ETC.


11,467 posted on 03/19/2007 4:51:25 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY, HIM & HIS KINGDOM 1ST)
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To: annalex; Kolokotronis; kosta50; Quix; kawaii; Forest Keeper; Mad Dawg
but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation ...

Sorry, but Mary in my mind does not bring about gifts of eternal salvation. She was obedient to God and was blessed by God. That's it.

In talking about great faith, Paul does not talk about Mary; instead he talks about Abraham as our example.

11,494 posted on 03/20/2007 4:50:58 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: annalex; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; kosta50; Quix; kawaii; Dr. Eckleburg
The operative illusion here is that co-Redemptrix means anything different than what the Catechism, posted at 11,441, teaches:

she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix

The title of Advocate is Biblically specific. It DOES NOT apply to Mary:

Job 16:19-21 : 19 Even now my witness is in heaven; my advocate is on high. 20 My intercessor is my friend as my eyes pour out tears to God; 21 on behalf of a man he pleads with God as a man pleads for his friend. NIV

1 John 2:1 : My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: KJV

"Mediatrix" is obviously refuted by:

1 Tim 2:5 : For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, ...NIV

Here again we have Mary's venerators intruding on Christ's sovereign province on her behalf. There is only one Mediator, one Advocate.

11,671 posted on 03/22/2007 2:01:31 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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