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To: Mad Dawg

As to "New Eve", wazza big deal? Whatever Mary "is" she is so by the gift of God and not in her own right. If she is "Queen of Heaven" it is not a title inherently hears, but is rather a courtesy title. The "Queen Mother" has no RIGHT to that title. She was queen by marriage not birth and is Queen Mother entirely by courtesy.
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However, Dear Heart,

Makind such pronouncements for political/monetary gain for the elites of the Roman magicsterical

and then claiming God did proclaimed it

does NOT work, for me.

I can't imagine Mary being the least bit in favor of such stuff.


11,415 posted on 03/18/2007 6:28:45 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY, HIM & HIS KINGDOM 1ST)
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To: Quix
If I thought it happened as you say, I'd agree that it was a bad thing. But I don't, so I don't.

Here's a related observation, based on my limited experience as a Calflick. It's as though (I don't mean this disparagingly) "you all" (he says, gesturing vaguely) are the princess and the pea.

I mean I go to Mass and I hear prayer after prayer after prayer after prayer addressed to God in three persons, or to The Father (through the Son, in the Spirit), or to the Son or to The Spirit. And you all are tossing and turning all night, because once out of every three Sundays, one of our priests includes a Hail Mary after we do our intercessory prayers. I wish I could remember exactly how he says it.

WE have Lots of things, Church, secular leaders, sick, dying, poor oppressed, unevangelized, etc to pray for. Those prayers are led by a lay person normally and usually. At the end the Priest says something like, "Heavenly father we offer to you our intercessions, asking you to hear them in your love for us and to respond according to your gracious will. We offer them in the Holy Spirit and through your Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, [and one of the three clergy usually adds] and through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary to whom we now pray, 'Hail Mary ... [everybody joins in].. .'" What I'm trying to say here is that MY EXPERIENCE, liturgically, and certainly that of most of the people in our congregation is that Mary doesn't get NEARLY the "air time" that God gets.

And yeah, a daily Rosary is part of my personal deal, but again, my experience in praying it is that I slip into addressing myself to our Lord or to the Father readily, before, during, and after -- and the meditations are more about Our Lord's life and work than about our Lady.

Just this weekend I learned of something evidently done by some German Catholics: They insert some phrase or clause having to do with the mystery after "Jesus" in the ave. For example, the mystery is the agony (or, as I prefer, "the struggle") in the garden, So the leader would say, "... and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus, who obeyed the Father and gave His life for us."

One parting shot: Have you read anything by J2P2? Read "Veritatis Splendor" in your nonexistent free time. If you can read that and still tell me that this is not a Christ centered guy or assert that his devotion to our Lady is about self-aggrandizement, I'd be, well, distressed.

Or I am slowly slowly working through Salvifici Doloris, which he wrote as he recovered from being shot. It's not so beautiful (to me) as Veritatis Splendor. But this is not a guy who is about political or monetary gain.

11,432 posted on 03/19/2007 6:46:57 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Tactical shotty, Marlin 1894c, S&W 686P, Sig 226 & 239, Beretta 92fs & 8357, Glock 22, & attitude!)
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