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To: Kolokotronis

When you pray that way . . .

is your imagination or construction such that you think, beileve, imagine that Mary has the authority, agency, role of functionally doing the saving?

If so, on what basis???? !!!

If not, then why pray that way? What an affront to THE Savior!


11,394 posted on 03/17/2007 11:51:29 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY, HIM & HIS KINGDOM 1ST)
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To: Quix; annalex
"is your imagination or construction such that you think, beileve, imagine that Mary has the authority, agency, role of functionally doing the saving?"

No, but it sure looks that way, doesn't it! By the way, it reads the same in Greek as it does in English. The Orthodox understanding of the prayer is as a plea to one whom we call upon regularly to intercede for us. The "save us" is in the sense of sending out an SOS, which isn't addressed to Christ either and doesn't mean literally "Save Our Souls".

Quix, its another one of those "mindset" things. We Orthodox know what we mean, but trust me, I can fully understand why someone else wouldn't. We don't believe that the Theotokos is our "Salvation" or "Savior" in the sense we use those terms here on this thread anymore than you do.
11,397 posted on 03/17/2007 12:45:57 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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