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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50
In some of Paul's writings, he focuses on the main element, faith. Here it is understood that he means true faith and does not break it down. In some of James' writings, he does break it down and distinguishes between true and false, or claimed faith. James says that without works a claimed faith is false. We agree.

When Paul speaks of works, the context is always there to point to a particular kind of work, -- work for reward or out of obligation, but when James speaks of faith, he does not make any distinction between true and claimed faith. The scripture supports the historical Church's view, as usual. Indeed there is such a thing as claimed but false faith, referred to elsewhere in the scripture, but there is no indication that true faith is not grown from work just as good works grow, in turn, from faith.

11,341 posted on 03/15/2007 11:44:09 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; kosta50
... but when James speaks of faith, he does not make any distinction between true and claimed faith.

Huh? Of course James makes a distinction:

James 2:14, 17 : 14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? ...... 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

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Indeed there is such a thing as claimed but false faith, referred to elsewhere in the scripture, but there is no indication that true faith is not grown from work just as good works grow, in turn, from faith.

True faith can INCREASE through works, but it cannot be FORMED through works. Faith always comes first from God. If faith is formed by works then salvation is earned.

11,376 posted on 03/16/2007 4:45:18 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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