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To: Forest Keeper; annalex
But FR Catholics, and especially the Orthodox, quote liberally from the Fathers. If Tradition is either equal, or nearly so, to the scriptures then it should all be the same. When you all do quote from the Fathers, Protestants here do not cry foul. Most of the time we simply answer from scripture. No problem. Sometimes, we also quote from our writers, knowing they carry no special weight with you, and you answer accordingly. No problem. We would just treat quotes from the Deuteros in the same way.

All well and good - except that you are using a false premise to "prove" that the Deuterocannonicals are not Scriptural. According to you, because we do not cite them, they must not be of importance to us. This is a false premise, because I have yet to see someone cite Philemon or Obediah... Jesus Himself did not cite from a number of books from the OT. So this line of reasoning that you have presented is a faulty one.

Would it make a difference to you if I DID cite the Deuterocanonicals more often? I doubt it.

And to be honest, citing Calvin does little for me personally. He was a heretic who has led many countless astray on his false theology.

Regards

11,324 posted on 03/14/2007 5:40:35 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: jo kus; annalex
All well and good - except that you are using a false premise to "prove" that the Deuterocannonicals are not Scriptural.

I'm not trying to prove they are unscriptural with these observations.

According to you, because we do not cite them, they must not be of importance to us.

But yes, this IS what I'm trying to show, that since you quote from them so rarely, they must not be of the same importance to you as other scripture.

This is a false premise, because I have yet to see someone cite Philemon or Obediah... Jesus Himself did not cite from a number of books from the OT. So this line of reasoning that you have presented is a faulty one.

In my Bible, the books of Philemon and Obediah COMBINED take up a grand total of 4 pages. That includes the study notes. :) You're putting that up against 7 books, presumably most of which are much much longer? I know that Jesus did not quote from every OT book, and that does not diminish them as scripture. But here we are talking about 7 full books as a block. I would imagine that together they cover a fair amount of material.

Would it make a difference to you if I DID cite the Deuterocanonicals more often? I doubt it.

Since I do not claim that they are necessarily all wrong, I would treat them as non-authoritative, which may or may not be persuasive. I think Luther included them in a separate section in his Bible, so they probably can't be all bad. :)

11,359 posted on 03/15/2007 5:35:04 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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