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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg
That doesn't describe the method. If God is not partial, His selection is random. That makes God subject to chance, which we do not believe.

This has you arguing that God IS partial, or else He is random? You then go on to say something about the method of impartiality. I don't think we are given the method, we just know that it is not based on human merit or deed.

Well, the Bible compares them to sheep. Calling them children is implying the same essence. Only those who become Christ-like become His adopted children.

This sounds like you are saying that God's adopted children have the same essence as God. I don't think you believe that. ....... Yes, the Bible compares them to sheep, and I think that choice is by no means an accident. Sheep have the reputation for being among the dumbest animals, and they certainly are among the most dependent. Sheep need to be led, more so than other animals. A sheep alone in a field is easy pickings for almost any predator. The early Christians would have easily understood the comparison. People are helpless and need God's leadership.

We believe God gives everyone a ticket. There are also many false trains, trying to get you to climb aboard. You must believe the One who gave you the ticket to board only His train no matter what others may say.

Under this, what distinguishes the person who uses his ticket for God's train from the others who choose the trains for hell? It seems like a no-brainer to me, so is it a matter of intelligence? Are we just smarter than everyone else? :)

Not only that, but our train makes frequent stops! At those stops you can decide to change trains or wait for a faster one or even get off the train altogether! Whether you stay on the right train will depend on your faith in the One who gave you the ticket.

That sounds pretty frightening to me. Since God "could" have a non-stop trip, why do you suppose He chooses to make frequent stops? With the stops, all we can do is lose in comparison. In addition, I suppose that all Jesus' sacrifice was good for was to give us the original ticket. According to your analogy, satan gave us tickets too.

11,103 posted on 02/25/2007 6:03:03 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
This has you arguing that God IS partial, or else He is random?

Only in the Reformed paradigm. In the Apostolic paradigm, God gives men grace (objective salvation), but those under grace are still judged based on their deeds in faith, disposition and intent (subjective salvation).

God has already judged all of us for the latter, not because He forced us to do anything, but because He sees what we have done at the end of our lives.

Thus He chooses not at random or by being partial, but by foreknowledge of what we will do with our blessings and how Christ-like we have become under grace.

This sounds like you are saying that God's adopted children have the same essence as God,/I.

We can become like God by grace, but not in essence.

11,106 posted on 02/25/2007 8:07:22 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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