[kosta50]

BD, I gave you the facts: the Lord's prayer in the original has a simple past tense forgiven. You don't want the facts to get in the way of Protestant thinking. I suppose the KJV is right; the Greek text is wrong. That's fine. You are free to believe what you want, or live in denial. My pay is the same.

If you can't understand why it is important for us to be able to forgive, before we can ask for forgivenss, that is your loss, imo.

[blue-duncan]

Just a simple question since it seems your bible is quite different from the one I have. How can an unbeliever have the same Father as Jesus? Jesus says when you pray say,
"Our Father, who art in heaven"
"hallowed be Thy name"
"Thy kingdom come"
"Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven"

Please explain how an unbeliever, one who has not already been forgiven, can petition for these things when he does not even understand what holiness is, what the kingdom is about, nor does he care what God's will is? All of this before he even gets to the forgiveness part and why would an unbeliever even care whether God forgives him or not?