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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; Blogger; ...
According to Reformed theology they (goats) do turn to satan because they have no other choice. They were predestined by this selective deity before all ages to not be able to turn to him.

For the 100th time (and I've enjoyed every one) ALL MEN WOULD TURN TO SATAN because ALL MEN ARE FALLEN CREATURES unless and until God grabs them and gives them new eyes to see Him, new ears to hear Him and a new heart to love Him.

This is Scripture, Kosta. We didn't make it up. It's the story of the Old Testament which tells us we cannot keep the Law ourselves and we cannot pay for our own sins. By our own sins we will perish BECAUSE THE NATURAL MAN HATES GOD and loathes His Law and is incapable of pleasing Him.

Gloriously, the New Testament tells us that God decided from before time to forgive some men's sins by the sacrifice of His Son. Those men can do nothing to merit this salvation; only God Himself is equal to the penalty. But like Paul, we praise Him who turned us from the darkness to the light and "revealed His Son in us"...

"But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him" -- Galatians 1:15-16

We do not know why God chooses as He does, but Scripture is clear that He does choose, according to His good pleasure. If a man possesses Trinitarian faith in Jesus Christ, he can be confident His name was written in the Book of Life by God for His glory. God wants His Christian soldiers confident and well-equipped for the battles on earth.

v. 2 of the same Psalm makes it clear that all men come to God. Read it!

Alright, let's read it.

"O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.

Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.

Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confidence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea" -- Psalm 65:2-5

Are you seriously using these verses to assert universal redemption? Are you a Unitarian? Certainly "all flesh" will end up at the foot of Christ in judgment. But not all will have acknowledged Him as Lord and thus some will perish. Or else we need to erase about 50% of the Bible.

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences." -- 2 Corinthians 5:10-11

If you have Christ within you, do you need fear His wrath? Or are we to...

"...come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." -- Hebrews 4:16

we are not perfect, by design, or neglect, whichever you prefer, not by fault (using Reformed theology logic). Can't blame a dog for being a dog, right?

"Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?" -- Jeremiah 13:23

We are helpless regardless, according to the Reformed theology. God already decided what's going to happen with all of us, so no amount of praying, crying or reading will change that.

Those who pray and cry and read and want to change will do so because it is by the will of God. All who believe in Him will find safe haven.

And all who don't believe in Him will not want to believe in Him and therefore suffer the consequences.

As far as baptism goes, Reformed of all persuasions do not believe in the error of baptismal regeneration. We all believe our baptism as adopted children is a sign and seal of God's grace given to those who are His. Like the Lord's Supper, our baptism brings us closer to Him.

God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ is a gift, given to whom He wills for His own perfect reasons.

If you want to understand Reformed theology and the truth in Scripture, it is succinctly contained in the following verses...

"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." -- Ephesians 2:4-10


11,073 posted on 02/24/2007 10:30:32 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50; Forest Keeper; 1000 silverlings; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; Blogger

"According to Reformed theology they (goats) do turn to satan because they have no other choice."

I don't think that all men "turn to satan because they have no other choice" can be found in the scriptures. In fact the scriptures say Isa. 53:6, "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." We have turned into ourselves as gods int eh place of God. Satan is the "accuser", the "adversary" who tempts and deceives mankind away from God but there is only one scripture, in 1 Tim. 5:15, "For some are already turned aside after Satan." where there is a hint of turning to him.


11,074 posted on 02/24/2007 11:20:24 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD
But like Paul, we praise Him who turned us from the darkness to the light and "revealed His Son in us"...

So, God [sic] revealed Christ in [sic] him (not to him)? That's just a tad bit Gnostic, you know.

Your Ps 65 is unrecognizable to me. The Psalm 65.2-5 in LXX goes like this:

2 Hear my prayer; to You all flesh shall come.
3 The words of transgressors have overpowered us; but You pardon our sins.
4 Blessed is he whom You have chosen and adopted; he shall dwell in Your courts; we shall be filled with the good things of Your house; Your temple is holy.
5 You are wonderful in righteousness. Hearken to us, O God our Savior; the hope of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are on the sea afar off; [Ps 65.2-5, LXX]

Compare v.5 to the KJV's "By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us" fire and brimstones approach. No wonder atheism was born in the West!

The verses in Tanach, as in the LXX, speak of a loving God who forgives and not in "terrible righteousness..."

3. You, Who hearken to prayer, to You all flesh shall come.
4. Words of iniquities have overcome me; as for our transgressions, You shall atone for them.
5. Praiseworthy is he whom You choose and draw near to dwell in Your courts; let us be sated with the goodness of Your house, the sanctity of Your Temple.
6. With awesome deeds, through [Your] charity You shall answer us, God of our salvation, the trust of all the distant ends of the earth and the sea. [Tanach, Tehillim 65.3-6]

Those who pray and cry and read and want to change will do so because it is by the will of God.

You are kidding, right? And those who don't do it because ... God wants them to? More of the "terrible righteousness..." someone please call the Fire Department!

11,080 posted on 02/24/2007 3:57:18 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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