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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; The_Reader_David; Mad Dawg
FK: "[God] did not instill in me the same responsibility for all the children of the world."

Because they are not your children. Your children are those that you fathered, i.e. the ones who are your human creation. God created all the people in the world; every one of us was given a soul by God. God is not partial.

I did not "create" my children. God did. I was appointed to be their earthly father and take care of them etc. Similarly, God is the self-appointed spiritual Father of His children, the elect. If all people are God's children, then God is a terrible Father. In fact, since MOST of the children would be lost, God Himself would be unfit to be a bishop in His own Church:

Titus 1:6 : 6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. KJV

1 Tim 3:4-5 : 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) KJV

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FK: "If all people are God's children, then you would have God standing at the street corner, watching billions of His beloved children walk right passed Him, fail to look both ways, and step right out in front of a bus. That isn't love to me."

Everyone is appointed to die, FK. So, according to your formula those who live a long life are God's children and those who die young are not?

OY VEY! :) My metaphor only concerned eternal life and death. The physical is irrelevant. You have God letting His beloved, fallible, confused, distraught children leaping to their eternal deaths right under His nose, and you have Him doing nothing to intervene. We say God does indeed intervene for His real children, the elect.

10,998 posted on 02/22/2007 4:26:22 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
If all people are God's children, then God is a terrible Father.

If you follow Calvin this is a reasonable conclusion. Which is why I say somewhere along the line, you took a wrong turn.

10,999 posted on 02/22/2007 4:43:08 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: Forest Keeper
I did not "create" my children. God did

That's right, Go created all of us. Each and every human being was given a soul. Who gave your children the soul? Is not God the Creator of everything and all? Did God not give soul to every human being? Are you saying some souls God gives are evil?

If God did not create the 'goats,' who did? Are you saying there is another 'creator' competing with God?

If all people are God's children, then God is a terrible Father

And making people expressly destined (before they were even conceived) for eternal suffering in hell is not??!!

We say God does indeed intervene for His real children, the elect

He does? How so? I thought the Reformed believe that God settled what happens before there even was a Creation, and will not change His plan. What is there to 'intervene' about?

If all people are God's children, then God is a terrible Father

And making people expressly destined for eternal suffering in hell is not??!!

11,000 posted on 02/22/2007 5:30:59 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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