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To: jo kus
You are making an unwarranted jump to conclusion. IF the Hebrew text of the Old Testament was so pristine and perfect in the eyes of the known Jewish world, tell me, why did the Apostle quote from the SEPTUAGINT so often, rather than the grand old Hebrew Scriptures???

Talk about a leap to a conclusion. Just what makes you think that they quoted from the Septuagint and not vice versa. What makes you think that those who were writing the Septuagint in the NT period were not quoting from the NT which they had in their possession?

Tell us --- if the Septuagint for the entire OT existed and was considered accurate by the apostles, then why don't all the NT quotes of the OT follow the Septuagint??? How come so many of them follow the Hebrew instead and not the Septuagint???

Biblical scholars indicate that only the five books of Moses composed the Septuagint and the rest of it was translated during the Christian era. And the DSS nor anyone else can provide any evidence of a pre-Christian Septuagint.

10,942 posted on 02/21/2007 7:33:34 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The fact that 2 BC COPIES of the Greek septuagint AND Hebrew texts with the same wording IN HEBREW have been discovered at Qumran.

Protestant denominations lie about this to defend an uninformed opinion from the 14th century.


10,944 posted on 02/21/2007 7:51:47 AM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Uncle Chip
What makes you think that those who were writing the Septuagint in the NT period were not quoting from the NT which they had in their possession? Say what? The Septuagint was written before the New Testament...

if the Septuagint for the entire OT existed and was considered accurate by the apostles, then why don't all the NT quotes of the OT follow the Septuagint???

You see, theologians will quote from Scripture which they find suits their purpose. In some cases, the Hebrew version was more suited for their purpose that they were writing about. In most cases, however, the Greek OT was quoted from, such as Is. 7:14.

Biblical scholars indicate that only the five books of Moses composed the Septuagint and the rest of it was translated during the Christian era. And the DSS nor anyone else can provide any evidence of a pre-Christian Septuagint.

Hardly true. There are well over one hundred allusions in the NT of the OT Deutercanonicals - no doubt taken from Greek writings of these books. Thus, the Septuagint preceded the NT.

Regards

10,953 posted on 02/21/2007 8:26:13 AM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: Uncle Chip; kawaii

kawaii is quite right. You need to update your notion of Biblical scholarship in light of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

They show that the LXX is a translation of Hebrew Scriptures from before Our Lord's Incarnation, which are at variance with the Masorete.

Actually, except for some points where Matthew relies on a Hebrew text--in particular pointing a word which without vowels could abiguously mean Nazarite or Nazarene to meand the latter--essentially all New Testament quotations from the Old Covenant Scriptures are from the LXX.

You might also consider that the earliest manuscript we have for the Masorete dates to c 1000 AD (!), while the earliest extant LXX manuscript dates to dates to the 4th century AD. The facts that the LXX text is largely confirmed by the pre-Christian Dead Sea Scrolls in both Greek and Hebrew, and that you, as a Christian, are trusting anti-Christian rabbis to have maintained the text faithfully when reading the Masorete (based, not on the Palestinian texts used in the Temple at the time of Our Lord's Incarnation, but on a Babylonian text adopted by the anti-Christian rabbis at Jamnia), should give you considerable pause in prefering the Masorete to the LXX.


10,955 posted on 02/21/2007 8:39:12 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .u)
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