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To: kosta50

I sometimes think that the insistance on absolute hyper predestination in all respects etc.

NEGATES GOD'S SOVEREIGNTY

rather than 'bolsters' it.

It ASSUMES that God cannot quite beyond our finiteness created a . . .

space . . . say . . .

wherein the authentic opportunity for true FREE WILL would exist for say mankind

WITHOUT diminishing God's all-knowingness at all.

Parents have the power to be very aware of every detail of planning of the kids for the parent's surprise birthday party. But loving parents will typically insure that they are thoroughly ignorant of such plans. Not because they lack such 'limited omnicience' but because they choose to lay some of it aside for a limited time in a limited way.

I think it's an imperfect analogy given my finiteness. But I think this pokes in the direction of what MAY be going on with a truly robust degree and nature of a truly authentic measure of free will allowing for a truly robust and authentic FREEDOM TO LOVE, or not.


10,921 posted on 02/20/2007 9:24:34 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Quix
Our inability to explain free will and God's omnipotence is a paradox. Judaism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism and some Protestant sects consider is as such. Some groups (Armenians, I believe) consider it axiomatic, but that is a leap.

This is no different than the Holy Trinity, a concept which is incomprehensible to human reason, yet firmly established as the foundation of Christian monotheism.

Free will establishes us as moral and rational beings, responsible for our own actions and decisions, not driven by necessity. It establishes sin as our rejection of God and ultimately rejection of God's will. Thus, sin is our 'creation,' not God's. Free will explains our fall from grace and points to god's love in our redemption.

Human restoration to grace can only be accomplished by the same mechanism by which man fell from grace: either he fell by free disobedience or he was predestined by cruel God to fall. Likewise, either we are passively "restored" by capricious God, or we are given a chance to come to Him in free obedience. Thus, just as the fall was born out of freedom, our coming to God must be free and not compelled.

10,929 posted on 02/21/2007 5:14:24 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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