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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; kosta50; blue-duncan
It wasn't unprecedented at all. Jerome among others "declared" them uninspired.

Some saints declared 2 Peter and Revelation as uninspired. Yet, there they are in your Protestant bible... Seems to me you are trying to cite saints ONLY when it suits your purposes. We should look at the entire picture, not to the fact that ONE saint didn't like the Greek Septuagint.

BD has posted several articles on this thread exposing the weaknesses of these books, including the issue with the Jewish canon, provable historical inaccuracies, and contradictions with established scripture.

Maybe you didn't see that I responded to these? There is no "contradictions", just like there is no contradictions in other Scriptures. And what Jewish canon are you speaking of? The Greek Septuagint WAS a Jewish canon!

But as I posted to Joe recently, I find it absolutely amazing that in the 10,000 posts here and the 12,000 on the L&E thread that I have seen Apostolics quote from the Dueterocanonicals MAYBE 3 times altogether.

When two people discuss issues, they must meet on a point of common agreement. What good would it do to my point of view to quote a book that YOU do not accept as Scriptures? You would promptly deny that it had any force of argument. Thus, we Catholics and Orthodox condescend to your level of what is Scriptures so as to prove a theological point. This does not mean we accept your canon. We certainly can quote the Deuts. But honestly, what would it do to convince you of our point of view?

Regards

10,882 posted on 02/20/2007 4:05:08 AM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: jo kus; annalex; kosta50; Kolokotronis; kawaii; blue-duncan; wmfights; HarleyD; Blogger; ...
Seems to me you are trying to cite saints ONLY when it suits your purposes.

Well of course. You do exactly the same thing in deciding which saints to quote to make your points. There is nothing wrong with this, but we BOTH do it.

FK: "But as I posted to Joe recently, I find it absolutely amazing that in the 10,000 posts here and the 12,000 on the L&E thread that I have seen Apostolics quote from the Dueterocanonicals MAYBE 3 times altogether."

When two people discuss issues, they must meet on a point of common agreement. What good would it do to my point of view to quote a book that YOU do not accept as Scriptures? You would promptly deny that it had any force of argument. Thus, we Catholics and Orthodox condescend to your level of what is Scriptures so as to prove a theological point.

Well, we very much appreciate your condescension. :) However, the logic fails. Most obviously, you all post the Fathers to us ALL the time, knowing full well that they are not authority for us. I don't think any on my side have any problem at all with this. They are part of your authority and we respect that. We answer the same way as we would against, well, anything. If in your eyes Tradition is equal to scripture, then the OT Deuts would be equal to the Fathers. We would handle it the same way. Yet, NONE of you very learned Apostolics (no sarcasm), none, zip, zero, nada, quotes from any of the OT Deuts, that I have seen, except on the RAREST of occasions.

11,011 posted on 02/22/2007 11:51:22 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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