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To: annalex
Works of love and faith are like two legs on a journey: one pulls the other, in turn.

I know I said that works accompany faith, but I wouldn't phrase it this way. Faith is what is salvific, works are a result of faith. It's more like faith is both of the legs, and works are being carried.

The plain text is "snatching". Do people snatch themselves?

Oh, come on. :) Is that the official line? The verse also says that Christ does give them eternal life, and that they will NEVER perish.

10,637 posted on 02/15/2007 6:27:27 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper

"Oh, come on. :) Is that the official line?"

Yup, cause that is what the Greek says, FK. :)


10,639 posted on 02/15/2007 6:45:41 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Forest Keeper

John 10:28, "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

The verse says they shall never perish which is translated can never be lost. The verse is parallelism in form;

they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

They reinforce the same idea; you can't be lost.


10,659 posted on 02/15/2007 7:21:41 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Forest Keeper
Faith is what is salvific, works are a result of faith

Based on what scripture? "by works a man is justified; and not by faith only" (James 2).

Oh, come on. :) Is that the official line? The verse also says that Christ does give them eternal life, and that they will NEVER perish.

The fact remains that we do not snatch ourselves, and the security of eternal life is conditional per words of Christ, e.g. in John 6 that I just quoted.

11,284 posted on 03/13/2007 4:00:35 PM PDT by annalex
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