Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: jo kus
My original commentary was about the relevance of what the Jews believed to be the Old Testament as well as the fact that Jesus, Paul, Peter, and others were in fact Jews.

To that you stated:

Keep following the Jews and their decisions - to include their denial of Jesus of Nazareth being God in the flesh. I believe 1 John writes that such people are the anti-christ. So if you have decided to follow the Jewish decisions at Jamnia, you have just eliminated the Gospels as Sacred Scriptures. By your own mouth you are condemned.

Since your entire diatribe was irrelevant to my original statement, I brought it back to the issue of latent (and apparently not-so-latent) antisemitism that I am sensing in the thread and reminded one from Romans 11 what the status of the Jews are as well as the grafted in Gentiles. God has not thrown Israel away, though she is blinded in part. You should take the mind of Paul (and Christ) in this matter rather than harping about those evil Joooos.

And then you throw the "anti-semeticism" charge on us because we don't follow the Jewish decision?
No. Not the council of Jamnia's decision per se. They were obviously wrong when it comes to the gospels. However, there is a willingness here to throw out whatever they have said through the ages concerning the subject. When Jesus came as Messiah, do you really think that he would not have corrected them with a simple 'uh, guys, you all are calling false what is truly Scripture?' Up until that point, the 'deuterocanonical' books were not considered Scripture. Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, Luke, Mark, Matthew, and anyone speaking within the books of the NT never said 'oh, by the way, those are Scripture.' In the early church, Jerome did not consider them Scripture. Yet, because you all had a hissy fit over Luther, you scream to the top of your lungs and get your licks in against the Jews as a bonus in your support of non-Scriptural books. Sorry, the attitude against anything Jewish on this thread is anti-semitic. They were and are God's chosen people and He has not mislead them concerning what was Old Testament Scripture. Their blinding came AFTER Christ.

Next, you'll be calling Jesus "anti-semetic" because of His "Woe to the Pharisees" speech...
Speaking of 'spirits.' Check yours.
10,481 posted on 02/15/2007 7:40:13 AM PST by Blogger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10467 | View Replies ]


To: Blogger
My original commentary was about the relevance of what the Jews believed to be the Old Testament as well as the fact that Jesus, Paul, Peter, and others were in fact Jews.

And what does that have to do with why the Jews' decision on the Canon during Jamnia has anything to do with the Christian decision on what to include in THEIR canon? Why on earth are we going to follow the Jewish decision, which at the VERY SAME COUNCIL claimed that the Christian Gospels were heretical and were not Scriptural??? Am I supposed to be steered away from this logic because you note that Jesus was a Jew? So what? The fact of the matter is that if you take the Jewish decision as your basis for the canon, you must also exclude the New Testament. Thus, what point of view are you really defending???

Not the council of Jamnia's decision per se. They were obviously wrong when it comes to the gospels.

If they were "obviously wrong" about the gospels, then why are you so certain they are "obviously right" on everything else they declared? Did you know that they did NOT include Esther as part of the Canon at this stage? Really, this is special pleading. You are using a supposed appeal to authority to cancel out the OT Deuterocanonicals but you turn a blind eye to the same group's inability to see the Gospels as Scripture? This argument that "the Jews said so" is beginning to wear thin. Their ability to determine anything about God was severely curtailed when they failed to recognize the Messiah.

Beware, you are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Regards

10,591 posted on 02/15/2007 1:22:23 PM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10481 | View Replies ]

To: Blogger; jo kus
there is a willingness here to throw out whatever they [at Jamnia] have said through the ages concerning the subject.

Suppose there is such willingness, why is it anti-Semitic? We do not want to side with the pharisees. You got a problem with that?

10,618 posted on 02/15/2007 1:59:49 PM PST by annalex
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10481 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson