Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
Since the poster of below has asked that I avoid posting to him . . . I'm posting this to you dear Harley:
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We have no guarantee that what we believe we believe is truly what is true. Self-test is no test.
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Paul indicates otherwise in Scripture. Let's see if anyone offers the verse(s).
It is contained in the Holy Spirit, in Christ and in God. It is given to us at God's good pleasure and in the measure that we mete.
In fact, it teaches we are going to judge the angels (1 Cor 6:3)
Praying to saints is not in contradiction to it and is a form of worshiping God.
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Sometimes I can't believe my eyes on this thread.
Gotta keep my barf bag closer.
I've seen a lot of twisted logic in my day but that about takes the cake. We shall see how much God agrees--or does NOT--agree with that assertion.
I can't imagine ANYONE of any denomination who's a true Christian in any core meaning of the term
AND WHO HAS HAD EVEN A GLIMPSE OF
GOD HIGH AND LIFTED UP--HIS TRAIN FILLING THE TEMPLE--
who would come within a trillion galactic clusters of writing or thinking such a travesty.
Speak for yourself.
I agree. we are going to judge the angels. Sobering thought.
I'm happy to extend charity, grace, compassion even . . . tolerance . . . to folks who have not had such experiences and/or who have not been sufficiently infected with Holy Spirit's perspective of various Scriptures such that they would miss such an important principle as
GOD ALONE . . .
Nevertheless, that aside, I'm utterly shocked.
It does raise the question how does the Church knows who is in heaven and who is in purgatory?
The causes for the saints is a matter of careful study of the purported miracles associated with the saint, and evidence of the probity of his faith. Until the Vatican examines the case, we do not know. In the vast majority of people who go to heaven no proposal for canonizaion is made, no inquire is made, and no knowledge exists. This is why it is good to pray for all dead.
That all depends upon whether or not you are able to worm your way out of jury duty.
yet Jesus said, Let the dead bury the dead. There is no scripture that ever said to pray for them. They snooze, they lose.
Indeed the magisterial teaching and the Holy Tradition are a part of the Word of God along with the Holy Scripture. However, some aspects of the Catholic faith are clear from the scripture and when discussing those I resort to the scripture alone in order to explain that to the skeptics.
Lol. I say, "I'm a conservative Christian and I consider drugs a sin". Works every time.
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Holy Spirit is quite responsive in assisting in leading into all Truth
So the Bible is not "completely" sufficient; you claim outside guidance.
Scriptural facts have chapter and verse numbers in them. I am waiting...
Oh here we go, you'd better ask him just who the HS is. I'll wager he thinks it's Mary, lol
The knowledge comes from the Holy Spirit. The authority in all disputes belongs to the Church (Mt. 18:17, 1 Ti. 3:15). Yes, individuals are all fallible. The Church as a whole is not (Mt. 16:18).
I agree on your later post: "It is contained in the Holy Spirit, in Christ and in God".
Holy Spirit is quite responsive in assisting in leading into all Truth
So the Bible is not "completely" sufficient; you claim outside guidance.
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So, CHRIST--THE LIVING WORD--HIS HOLY SPIRIT IS OUTSIDE SCRIPTURE IN SOME MEANINGFUL SENSE RELATED TO THESE POINTS?
Can I watch this dissection? Will there be anesthetic?
Will there be a stainless steel scalpel or a laser or an obsidian scalpel? And what is Holy Spirit's attitude about this dissection?
LOLOL!!! You get the prize for the most memorable quote.
Ridiculous reasoning. The final say is God's and God's alone.
That probably wouldn't get you off jury duty in heaven on the "judging angels" issue. Probably better to simply say that you are not worthy to judge angels because you are such a miserable wretch.
I'm sure we'll all get a chance to discuss our jury avoidance strategies once we get to heaven. I suspect that we will not be able to use the usual-and-customary-sure-fire method of getting off jury duty that we use here, i.e., being perfectly honest.
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