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LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

[Quix]

I think I missed the memo about

THE MARIAN DOCTRINE OF SHOULDER CHIPS AND THIN SKINS.

Is that based on II STEPHEN 6:3

or

III MAGISTERICAL 6:6

???

[Titanites]

I think I missed the memo

I don't think it's just the memo you missed.

More bible code references?

[Quix]

That reminds me.

I should post a long overdue thread on the last BIBLECODEDIGEST.COM edition.

Some fascinating authentic code stuff in that issue.

Thanks for reminding me.

[Quix]

Justification by Faith Alone is not only theologically sound, but serves as a great tool to measure how much confidence any Christian sect has in the power of God Alone.
= = =

INDEED.

[wmfights]

...what was good enough for Peter, Paul and John is good enough for me.

In following this discussion about the apocrypha it's stunning how historical fact is ignored. I believe St. Athansius was the first to use his office as Bishop to clearly state for churches under his direction what the books of the Canon were. He followed in the long line of theologians and the long held practices of individual churches. IOW, he just made clear what was already accepted truth. Athansius clearly stated to his churches that the apocrypha was good for devotional and historic reading, but was not as Canonical authorities.

[blue-duncan]

It says God rebuked Satan. Satan went beyond what God allowed and that is sin. There is no grace for the sinning angels for there is no sacrifice for them.

[Quix]

My goodness, wm!

What place do you think historical fact and logic have in an FR religion thread???

Good one. Thx.

[kawaii]

Certainly Satan could as likely be performing parlor tricks to help prop up his anti-Christian churches.

[Quix]

No, the criteria Christ provided for discerning such is met.

WRONG.

Try again.

[kawaii]

wouldn't letting a single bishop's perception settle the matter be a papist idea?

[kawaii]

Oh Holy Scripture does indeed provide a measure for this; folks who reject the teachings of St Paul for instance are called false prophets by Paul himself.

Therefore folks who do this yet proclaim to be prophets cannot be invoking the Holy Spirit.

[Quix]

Will try to get back to such off the wall assertions about modern miracles around the world by Holy Spirit through Protesties.

[kawaii]

If they're standing there with uncovered women preaching and trying to claim to be invoking the Holy Spirit they're lying.

[1000 silverlings]

It all sounds very Mormon to me

I was thinking more along the cult of Isis, but we can dial 1-800-Dr.Hinkley

[kawaii]

1Cr 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head.


1Cr 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head

1Cr 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches:

1Cr 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

[wmfights]

wouldn't letting a single bishop's perception settle the matter be a papist idea?

Great question!

I don't think so, because at this time you still did not have a consolidation of authority and the power of the state to enforce it. Christian bodies were still somewhat free and if Athansius' position on the matter was controversial local and regional churches would have fought against it. As it was his position on the issue of the Canon was accepted because it was consistent with the understanding of Christians all the way back to the Apostolic Era.

I find it interesting that this was all done independent of any Bishop in Rome, or grand council.

Is it possible Rome did not want to take a solid position so they could change their position as their "traditions and doctrines" changed with the times?

[Ping-Pong]

Good morning - I understand what you are saying but my concern is the same. Because Jesus says "...and have the keys of hell and of death." (Rev.1:28) Then goes to 3:7 and again mentions the "key", which is what Smyrna and Philadelphia taught which would keep us "from the hour of temptation" (3:10).

I guess I am anxious about it. I believe the message contained therein is for us to know in this perilous time.

Anyway, as you say, those are my musings and I won't say anymore about it. Thank you for taking time to share your thoughts on this subject - it is appreciated.

[1000 silverlings]

Your verses are taken out of context. To read it all, Paul says a man must pray with his head uncovered, however we see the Orthodox Jews always praying with hats or yamulkes on. A woman's long hair is a covering. Also and very important, note the sentence ending the chapter:

For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

If all Christians can argue about is the size of a Sunday hat, fortunate are they indeed.

[kawaii]

, Paul says a man must pray with his head uncovered, however we see the Orthodox Jews always praying with hats or yamulkes on.

And indeed Christians beleive St Paul, and Jews follow jewish traditions, like Circumcision, which St Paul also preached against at the first ecumenical council in Jersusalem with St James and St Peter.

[kawaii]

firstly few councils were ever held in the city of Rome.

secondly canon was certainly discussed at councils though indeed no specific canon of any specific council declares what is definitlvly IN the Bible though many declared what was right out for sure.

further while athansius opinion is certainly important and relevant I don't see any reason for taking it in a vaccum; all decisions should be made as the whole church not simply as individuals; far to big of a risk there if you ask me.