Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
I cannot showe that because that is not so. Christ is the High Priest, and His mother is His mother.
Q. What's the best way to defeat an enemy?
A. Make him your friend.
If Catholics had treated me like some folks of either side have acted on this thread, I'd be a Buddhist now.
Then why is the only way to Christ through his mother? You can't have it both ways
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Christ gave us to her care at His dying moment on the cross. However, that particular statement you object to was a private revelation by pope Leo XIII, you say, so it would not be in the scripture. Why don't you do what I asked you already and read why did he say what he said?
John Calvin:
He says that she [Mary of Cleophas] was the sister of the mother of Jesus, and, in saying so, he adopts the phraseology of the Hebrew language, which includes cousins, and other relatives, under the term 'brothers.' - John Calvin, Commentary of the Gospel According to John, on John 19:25
The word 'brothers', we have formerly mentioned, is employed, agreeably to the Hebrew idiom, to denote any relative whatever; and, accordingly, Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons because Christ's 'brother' are sometimes mentioned. - John Calvin, Commentary on a Harmony of the Evangelists, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, vol. II, p. 215 (on Matthew 13:55)
[Note: Helvidius was a 5th-century Christian who denied the perpetual virginity of Mary and was rebuked and refuted by Jerome in his treatise, "On the Perpetual Virginity of Blessed Mary Against Helvidius"]
Huldrych Zwingli:
I give an example: taught by the light of faith the Christ was born of a virgin, we know that it is so, that we have no doubt that those who have been unambiguously in error have tried to make a figure ofspeech of a real virgin, and we pronounce absurd the things that Helvidius and others have invented about perpetual virginity. - Huldrych Zwingli. "Friendly Exegesis, that is,
Exposition of the Matter of the Eucharist to Martin Luther, February 1527", in Selected Writings of Huldrych Zwingli, Volume Two, trans. and ed. by H. Wayne Pipkin, Pickwick Publications, 1984 p.275.
Then the pious mind finds wonderful delights in searching for the reasons why the lamb chose to be born of a perpetual virgin, but in this other case it finds nothing but a hopeless horror. [The other case that Zwingli here refers to is the Real Presence] - Huldrych Zwingli. "Subsidiary Essay on the Eucharist, August 1525", in Selected Writings of Huldrych Zwingli, Volume Two, trans. and ed. by H. Wayne Pipkin, Pickwick Publications, 1984 p.217.
Martin Luther:
A new lie about me is being circulated. I am supposed to have preached and written that Mary, the mother of God, was not a virgin either before or after the birth of Christ, but that she conceived Christ through Joseph and had more children after that. - Martin Luther, "That Jesus Christ Was Born a Jew", in Luther's Works, vol. 45, ed. Walther I. Brand, 1962, Muhlenberg Press, p. 199.
The form of expression used by Matthew is the common idiom, as if I were to say, 'Pharaoh believed not Moses, until he was drowned in the Red Sea.' Here it does not follow that Pharaoh believed later, after he had drowned; on the contrary, it means that he never did believe. Similarly when Matthew says that Joseph did not know Mary carnally until she had brought forth her son, it does not follow that he knew her subsequently; on the contrary, it means that he never did know her. Again, the Red Sea overwhelmed Pharaoh before he got across. Here too, it does not follow that Pharaoh got across later, after the Red Sea had overwhelmed him, but rather that he did not get across at all. In like manner, when Matthew says, 'She was found to be with child before they came together,' it does not follow that Mary subsequently lay with Joseph, but rather that she did not lie with him. - Martin Luther, "That Jesus Christ Was Born a Jew", in Luther's Works, vol. 45, ed. Walther I. Brand, 1962, Muhlenberg Press, p. 212.
John Wesley:
I believe that he was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin. - John Wesley "Letter to a Roman Catholic"
Good to hear.
Now if we can work out those other projections..
:)
What do you mean by "through his mother"? That's where the fun part of the question is, I'd bet. Heck I'd like to know what we mean by it too
I don't know the answer. I skipped that post.
This is a little off topic, but....I've seen Catholics say that they take all of Jesus's word's literally. (Usually this comes up when talking about communion.)
When I read where Jesus said he was the door, I was wondering if Catholics see him as an actual door? If so, do they have a ritual where they open a door for salvation?
I know, this is probably not productive, but it was what your ping made me think of.
Sincerely
Well I don't want to unhinge any of them
He got this idea and freedom from Christ:
1 Cor 1:17 : 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel — not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Can you think of another NT Biblical figure who focused even more on preaching and even less on personally baptizing others than Paul? I can. :)
... so no one can say that you were baptized into my name [1 Cor 1:15]
How could anyone say that if they were baptized in the name of the father, Son and the Holy Spirit?
These were Corinthians. Apparently, they weren't the brightest knives in the elevator. :) Tons of early Christians made errors we would consider "unbelievable". But then when I go back and consider myself honestly, then I start to believe it. :)
And, a GREAT unknown number of those of us on the other side feel virtually precisely the same way but from our perspective with the shoes on very different feet. or some such.
It was the Father's business that Jesus was about, not his mother's. The truth is, she overstepped her role, and Jesus rebuked her.
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INDEED.
No such thing is recorded in the scripture.
The Protestants are not my enemy. If they were, I'd let them remain in what their beliefs are.
You have to understand. This is part of our outreach to the taste-deprived. Not every one that saith unto me, "NEVER wear stripes with checks,"will enter into the kingdom of heaven, and contrariwise, if I should be admitted to tha blessed realm I expect to see some powder blue double-knit polyester leisure suits made glorious (in some totally unforeseeable way). God loves the fashion deprived too, y'know.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
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