Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
There ARE protestant churches that do NOT feel this way. Quit painting us with such a big, broad brush.
Oh please. There are a host of websites dedicated to these things. There is no rejection. They simply ignore the problem.
You all should hear Scott Carroll some time. He's a teacher in Boston, I think, and he has and continues to study all the ancient manuscripts. He believes they are pretty true to what we have now. Sometimes we misinterpret the original words, though. He's been to our church several times and he's amazing to listen to. He pokes holes in our doctrine and theology with his knowledge of what the Bible says.
I can tell you ONE reason why protestant churches have women preachers. Because the MEN aren't stepping up to the plate!
In your excellent studies of words, what have you found on apostello and apostolos?
I ask because I think it is in the concepts around those words that we on the RC/EO sides find a tertium quid between usurping God's authority and saying the Church has no authority.
I will look for his works.
Wonderful responses, AG. Just wonderful. We ARE only pilgrims here on this earth. Our home is with God and most of us long in our spirits to be there, but we have a purpose in lingering here.
I know I have changed over the years because of the indwelling Holy Spirit. I see things differently, I view people and circumstances in a new light. I am less judgemental and critical of people I love and am letting the Holy Spirit work whatever He needs to work in them instead of offering my own views (unless God prompts me). I was a very angry person throughout much of my life and God has tempered that (oh, I still get ticked off now and then, but it's nothing like it used to be). I know God's restoring power. Amen!
They may not today but they may tommorow. All the original protestant churches now have at a minimum schismatic branches which do this. Many have only a handful of schismatics who do not do this. Protestantism is rebellion against God's will.
I can't remember which school he's in in Boston, but he does teach there. He's very good.
Harley: Despite what folks say about them, they don't have a secret police and a SWAT team on-call. And I know over some groups whose necks I would cheerfully wring, they display decades of forbearance and patience before lowering the boom.
Yeah, they may not move as quickly as I'd like, but sometimes it's easier to rip up the tares if you let them grow a little (worst approach) or patient discussion and imploring may save a few before the rest have to be given the boot.
If you view the behavior with the supposition that it is uncaring, it'll look uncaring. But I think the data, viewed without supposition can be explained as much by patience and forbearance as by insouciance.
I haven't checked the original post in eons.
REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDER is only partially in jest.
It's been a challenge to overcome such things most of my life and still not completed.
And, the evidence of such amongst a number os posters hereon is considerable. All of us with such a background have an intense compulsion to invest in all kinds of things--to invest our emotions, passions, chips on our shoulders, contrariness, contentiousness, constructions on reality, brittleness, pickiness, prissyness, fierceness, . . . the list goes on--to invest such things and in such things out of our never adequately Daddy filled love buckets from the first 8 years of our lives.
We become addicted to work, ideas, organizations, churches, religions, habits, anything but God because Daddy never cemented foundational security and peace and love in our bone marrows in a Godly way those first 8 years.
And there's literally hell to pay for decades thereafter EVEN AFTER WE REALIZE THE PROBLEM AND EVEN WITH TONS OF PROFESSIONAL HELP, PRAYER AND COUNSEL.
Unless, of course, Holy Spirit does it all in an instant--but I've rarely seen that.
Sorry, kosta,
I don't have time to reply much. But it sounds like Alice's rabbit hole has slapped us upside the face again.
I hope such was hyperbole or a word processing malfunction or a finger malfunction or something. Those sentences are incredibly implausible to outrageously off the wall in their logic and construction, to me.
As I'm catching up, initially I couldn't believe what I was reading about Scripture being made up doctrines to save Christianity. However, It makes sense if you want to place your faith in men. The only thing standing between the tyranny of despotic men acting "in the name of GOD" are the SCRIPTURES. The SCRIPTURES contain the truth that refutes tyrants.
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INDEED, INDEED, INDEED! AMEN.
God sure seems to use your fingers and mind so incredibly well at this. I was going to say so much better than mine but I'm not a good judge of that and that's not the point.
So I'll just note His wonderful way with yours.
Thanks tons.
Protestantism is rebellion against God's will.
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Wrong.
Absolutely wrong.
Where remotely right--on average--a lot LESS so than Romanism is rebellion against God's will.
Were the assertion accurate, God would not have blessed Protestantism as He has.
Holy Spirit would not be routinely doing miracles through a myriad Protestant servants of the Most High God as in China and a host of other areas--including, amazingly, still in the US of A.
With all due respect, this is all gooblygook nonsense. You first complain about people not following scripture and then turn right around and say the Church is allowed to change things. If you want to say Protestants don't follow scripture after preaching "sola scriptura", well guess what, very few Orthodox or Catholics do either, even the parts they haven't changed. We all fall short.
While, regretably Protestants try to explain away things, Catholic and Orthodox simply say that parts of the scriptures are obsolete. I don't see much difference. This is evidence of our sinful nature, another thing Orthodoxy tends to explain away.
It still boggles my mind . . .
HOW ON EARTH IN ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO LOGIC . . .
IS IT CONCEIVABLE
THAT an edifice piled high with fossilized traditions of men
would be a MORE Godly sanctioner of God, Godly Righteousness and spiritual life
THAN HOLY SPIRIT HIMSELF????
Y'all, on the Romanist side of things, have utterly wholesale failed to remotely come close to answering that resounding issue/question.
Oh, sure they are. Just because we aren't EO doesn't mean we're rebels. Cheez.
Well, how 'bout because that's not how we look at it at all>
Of course we would dispute the TOM allegation. And then we would dispute that we ever claimed to be holier than the Holy Spirit.
And always we would say that we are earthen vessels, and that's on a good day, and anything good that comes from us, through us, or whatever the preposition du jour is us does so because of God's grace and faithfulness to His promise, and most certainly not because of any merit of our own.
And always we would say that we are earthen vessels, and that's on a good day, and anything good that comes from us, through us, or whatever the preposition du jour is us does so because of God's grace and faithfulness to His promise, and most certainly not because of any merit of our own.
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On that we'd likely be in very close unity.
Thanks thanks.
Yes, I understood the rest would be the likely perspective! LOL. Perhaps it can be seen why we might have ours, however.
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