Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
None of which replied to the historical facts and point.
Now Marlowe, we shouldn't be too hard on them . . .
they were merely following the
TRADITION OF MEN ignoring the Scripture about the weapons of our warfare NOT being carnal
and extending the Papal territory.
Very political.
Not very Scriptural but very political.
One wonders how many were turned from God vs to God by such efforts.
Evidently we have a different Bible. That would explain a lot of things.
by whom we can cry, Abba, Father . . .
Daddy's a pretty accurate translation.
We don't fool around.
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Except when distorting far out of whack
the truths of Scripture and the truths of history.
"Do you actually read your own prooftexts?"
Actually it is reading the whole of scripture not just one verse. Here is how Jesus looks at how the Pharisees use tradition to interpret scripture. (Mar 7:13) "Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."
Now if you understand that you can see understand what He is saying in John 5:38-40, "And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."
Why would they not come to Him, because their tradition laden interpretation of the prophecies would not permit it.
It's now considered more accurate to think of 7 or so differnt IQ's . . .
mathematical; verbal; spatial; relational; . . . I forget the others at the moment.
Body sense--body movement as in sports & dance is another . . . musical and artistic are others, I think.
we now return you to your regularly scheduled theological bickering.)
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Sigh.
No more so than a thousand priests in a thousand Roman congregations are seen by many as Jr Popes with perhaps more influence and control over their lives than the one in Rome.
Methinks the allegation is grossly disingenuous.
He says that it is the scripture that testify of Him, not tradition that the Pharisees were relying on for their works based righteousness. Jesus was telling them it was the scripture that revealed Him as the Way, but they would not believe Him because they were invested in their tradition interpreted scripture.
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Well put.
Thanks.
I rather agree with you.
I have. A blessed book.
A tear jerker as well.
What's the Greek for "Gimme That Old Time Religion"?
BLESS YOU! BLESS YOU! BLESS YOU AND YOURS ABUNDANTLY IN PEACE, PROTECTION, PROVISION, HOPE, JOY, LOVE, GUIDANCE in this New Year.
Praise God for His faithful insights through your fingers.
Not disputing the the "Daddy", disputing the "Direct access". "through Jesus Christ our Lord" isn't just a formula, it's how prayers are made in fact, we believe..
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Hogwash.
What's so complicated about
COME UNTO ME ALL YOU WHO LABOR AND ARE HEAVY LADEN.
COME UNTO ME LITTLE CHILDREN.
EXCEPT YOU COME AS A LITTLE CHILD.
A little child comes how?
"DADDY . . . . . !"
--IT HURTS, DADDY.
--I WANT, DADDY.
--I LOVE YOU DADDY.
Very eccleasiastically pontifically bureaucratticaly complicated, that.
it is the pharisees, who are described, with some irony, as those who think that everlasting life is found in the scripture., when Jesus is sitting right in front of them.
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Perhaps reading your own post 25 times would be helpful.
This is NOT an aid to the perspective so often signed by your screen name.
It is an assertion that FACE TO FACE WITH THE LIVING WORD DIRECTLY--IS THE SOURCE OF SPIRITUAL TRUTH, GUIDANCE, PROGRESS.
INSTEAD
of narrow, rigid, pontifical clamorings about bureaucratic assertions about hair splittings about the text of Scripture from an ancient organizational perspective.
HELLO?
Not only do you have Muslims and Jews who claims the same God of Abraham, but among Christians you have various sects and cults that are complete strangers to each other.
If I believe you (and I have to, lest I judge and presume), then I must believe Mohammad's story as well.
It seems to me that either God is leading people in different directions or that different people, with diffreent agendas, are making God in their heads.
Is this what your church teaches you? Who is your bishop, Thomas Jefferson? Do the scissors come with safety tips or do they trust you not to injure yourself or others as you rip apart God's Word?
I am stunned! How do you believe anything? How are you able to even call yourself a Christian when you have such a low opinion of the writer of 3/4 of the New Testament much less a low opinion of the Lord who called Him?
The more I see you write Kosta, the less likely I think it is you are a Christian. And before you press abuse, I really think it bears examining. This is not a personal attack. How on earth do you believe anything with such a low regard for Scripture?? Surely Orthodoxy doesn't teach you to dismiss the Apostle Paul as a flim flam salesman of Gospel tracts.
But the poster implied that the sonship of God somehow negates the Apostolic Church.
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I did? Hmmmmm . . . ponder, ponder . . .
In many senses, I suppose it is conceivable to pretend that's true--IF--one ASSUMES, INFERS, EXTRAPOLATES, PRETENDS
That the Roman bureaucracy = the Apostolic Church.
But I don't consider the Roman bureaucratic edifice the Apostolic church by a million miles. I doubt it was EVER very close to being so, even.
Now, there may be isolated congregations here and there even today which would qualify by virtue of Holy Spirit leading them in more or less a full I Cor 12-14 Apostolic form of congregational life.
Otherwise, I don't see how the Roman edifice comes remotely close. Not that a lot of Protestant ones do either, BTW.
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Yeah, there is the thing that ABBA, DADDY
means Christ died that we can go direct to DADDY.
And that NOT DOING SO
IS AN INSULT TO HIM; TO HIS BLOOD; TO HIS LIFE, DEATH AND RESURRECTION.
To avoid doing so at the behest of and in the name of
ANY HUMAN ORGANIZATION AND LIST OF TRADITIONS OF MEN
IS AN INSULT AND AN INDICTMENT to that organization.
PING to the below:
But the poster implied that the sonship of God somehow negates the Apostolic Church.
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I did? Hmmmmm . . . ponder, ponder . . .
In many senses, I suppose it is conceivable to pretend that's true--IF--one ASSUMES, INFERS, EXTRAPOLATES, PRETENDS
That the Roman bureaucracy = the Apostolic Church.
But I don't consider the Roman bureaucratic edifice the Apostolic church by a million miles. I doubt it was EVER very close to being so, even.
Now, there may be isolated congregations here and there even today which would qualify by virtue of Holy Spirit leading them in more or less a full I Cor 12-14 Apostolic form of congregational life.
Otherwise, I don't see how the Roman edifice comes remotely close. Not that a lot of Protestant ones do either, BTW.
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Yeah, there is the thing that ABBA, DADDY
means Christ died that we can go direct to DADDY.
And that NOT DOING SO
IS AN INSULT TO HIM; TO HIS BLOOD; TO HIS LIFE, DEATH AND RESURRECTION.
To avoid doing so at the behest of and in the name of
ANY HUMAN ORGANIZATION AND LIST OF TRADITIONS OF MEN
IS AN INSULT AND AN INDICTMENT to that organization.
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