Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
This is a vulgar restatement of patristic theology of atonement. Were I speaking to a child, I would perhaps let it be, in hopes to correct him later in life. No, God definitely does not want a sacrifice, and the description of the mystery in these crude transactional terms is incorrect. It is also not what St. Anselm wrote. I will check with St. Anselm before getting into this further.
Most protestant sects embrace Anselm of Canterbury's barbarous theory of the substitutionary atonement as the sole explanation of Our Lord's saving death. Phrases like 'he paid the price,' are common among them, with not a hint of "trampling down death by death" evident in their thinking.
Do you have to be so loud?
If the Church teaches that anything is necessary for salvation, then it is, and for most of it we also have scripture that says the same thing. Baptism and Eucharist in particular are necessary for salvation, 'cause the Bible tells me so.
So are you channeling St. Anselem? Is he verbally answering your prayers?
The first part of Hail Mary is a compilation of direct scripture quotes. The request for her prayer in the end reflects her adoption of us at the foot of the Cross as Christ was dying, for us sinners.
sh-sh. Take it easy.
But God has also blessed me to see in myself a sinner.
Yes ... there are a lot of negatives which run through our lives ... but God is still working
Ever so patiently and lovingly.
And the king on earth asking Timothy in heaven to intercede to Christ is different how?
If God does not want a sacrifice, why do you present sacrifices to him every Mass? I was told on this thread that the difference between Veneration of Mary and Worship of God was that you offer sacrifices to God. Why are you doing something that God "definitely does not want"?
Have read substantial portions.
But it is a problem--though for some reason, less of one in some literal books than on a screen.
Nevertheless, hereon, it's easy enough to do the loving thing.
Especially if one wants folks to read what one posts.
INDEED! PRAISE HIS NAME.
Okay. Don't buy into it. Stick with your man-made religion.
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GRRRR.
I'm going to try and avoid several lines of outrage over pots and kettles.
My "religion" is merely my relationship with God. It is exceedingly founded in Scripture and prayerfully increasingly led of Holy Spirit.
That is more than sufficient, for me.
Thank you very much.
I welcome all prayers by earnest Christian believers to Christ Himself in my behalf.
God's best to you and yours, too.
Or just explain when, in your view, why intercession by Timothy on behalf od a king, commended by St. Paul in 1 Timothy 2, should stop should Timothy die.
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I did. Still waiting for a response.
Though I'm pretty used to RC folks not responding to my points.
Thanks for your post.
I particularly like:
"So much we have said of Christ; the greater part of what we might say shall be reverenced with silence."
. True. Prayer is all a saint does. He is free from any other concern than for the children of God on earth.
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Not according to the many Heavenly visitor reports I've read.
Methinks one ought to check their sources. I have multiple sources indicating very similar things and not a hint of the situation you described.
Because we want to.
Good night, and enjoy the weekend. I'll do some study of Cur Deus Homo.
What other purpose does a life of a saint have but to listen and pray?
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As I understand it, there are dozens of other activities which attract/command their attention.
Reportedly, many are so enraptured with God and the Heavenly realm, they pay no attention to goings on, on earth and are of little pracitical use in Heaven for several earth years of their being in Heaven. Of course, such reports are annecdotal. But a vast myriad of them are congruent with each other.
The Apostles did not appoint the next generation of leaders, the individual churches picked their leaders based on the qualities and gifts they exhibited. There really is no direct linkage between current leaders and the Apostles.
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INDEED--HISTORICAL FACT.
In convenient for those building enormous bureaucratic edifices supposedly on a strict 'passed down' authority . . . but facts are often disturbing to lots of folks
WHO WILL ACCEPT THEIR REALITY AND VALIDITY.
. . . . particularly before God makes things painfully clear at our point of death.
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