'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

[xzins]

Thank you.

I am not a Lutheran, but I'm not indignant over being considered same. Lutherans are OK.

You don't think Methodists are boring. Hillary's one and so is GW Bush. They keep things hopping.

I don't think we're boring, unless someone thinks schizophrenia is boring! :>)

[xzins]

Where the other than normal things take place, they are mentioned.

Nothing is mentioned in this instance. It says simply that "she gave birth."

Anything other than the normal meaning of those words would be an addition to the text.

[adiaireton8]

Any understanding you add to that other than the normal meaning of those words would be the addition.

Indeed! Catholics are not bound by the fiction of 'sola scriptura'. Tradition is something in *addition* to Scripture.

-A8

[adiaireton8]

Nothing is mentioned in this instance. It says simply that "she gave birth."

The argument from silence is a fallacy. And that is especially true when further information from Tradition is available.

-A8

[xzins]

Horse crackers.

There is no argument from silence. I"M the one taking the words at their dictionary meaning.

YOU are the one adding some non-perforated hymen, hocus-pocus to a perfectly understandable sentence.

[xzins]

Give me the earliest date for when the argument "Her hymen wasn't broken in birthing Jesus" was made.

[RobbyS]

But she gave birth to God in human form. The whole event is supernatural, although I am inclined in your direction since why else the nine-months in the womb if not to disguise himself. In any case. at one point in the script Mary and Joseph are wondering when he will reveal himself to them in all his power. Artistically, I would have used one of those newborns who from be beginning look you right in the eye, so that you know there is someone there.

[P-Marlowe]

Give me the earliest date for when the argument "Her hymen wasn't broken in birthing Jesus" was made.

Holy Cow! Do Catholics believe THAT?

[xzins]

Holy Cow! Do Catholics believe THAT?K/i>

That's what they're telling me. My wife was raised in a 50% Catholic family, and she says she's never heard of that before. Very first time was when I asked her. Dr.E says she got the same response.....a bunch of blank looks.

But these guys says it's ancient history, rock solid law, magisterial, magical, abra cadabra, etc. etc.

[bonfire]

And they call "sola scripture" fiction???

[xzins]

They've got it on good authority from a rabbi who did hym-inspections.

Same guy who was the rabbi on "Men in Tights."

[kosta50]

Lev. 12:1, "If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child

There was no seed and no conception, unless you subscribe to Mormon interpretation of Luke 1:35 that the "Holy Ghost shall come upon thee" and "the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee," — words Mormons interpret as "carnal relationship."

[Antoninus]

Obviously we are never going to agree. In this instance I can't help but think to myself, "why aren't you going straight to our Saviour, Jesus Christ?". He's never too busy for us and nothing is to small.

Perhaps you Protestants don't pray as much as we Catholics do. We pray to Jesus constantly. And indeed, every prayer--even the intercessory ones through the Saints--are to Jesus. That we also ask the Saints to pray on our behalf is absolutely no different from asking your mother, father, sister, brother, best friend to pray for you. The Saints are alive in Heaven--why wouldn't they be available to us as they stand in the presence of Almighty God?

Don't you teach/believe that prayers to Mary are given special consideration? Don't you teach/believe Mary was born without sin and never died but was assumed into heaven? Don't you teach/believe that Mary is the "Queen of Heaven"? Looking from the outside in I see these things and can't help but think you are elevating Mary to a status she does not deserve.

But notice what I said: None of these things say that Mary is greater than or equal to the Holy Trinity. None. As for Mary being Queen of Heaven, you do agree that she was the Mother of God, right, that title being defined canonically at the Council of Ephesus in AD 431? And as Jesus is truly our King, is it not common practice to recognize the Mother of the King as a Queen?

I don't see anything wrong with having the most profound respect for Mary, but I don't agree with all these other characteristics that are attributed to her.

Well, I personally have no problem with them. They have been lauded and believed by Saints and theologians down through the ages and I have no reason at all to think that we do evil by asking the Blessed Mother of God to pray for us.

[annalex]

Do Messrs Bauer, Gingrich and Danker, Thayer and Strong also of the opinion that Lot was of the same womb as Abraham?

Are they of the opinion that the children positively identified as children of Mary Cleopas just happen to match by name the alleged children of Virgin Mary?

Are they comfotable with the thought that Mary had a sister named Mary?

[annalex]

expedient tradition

Superstition remains a superstition. It will cease to be that when a line on the Scripture is discovered that says "scripture is sufficient for all mattrers of faith".

It is, of course, highly expedient for reformers with no other qualification than a burning desire to redefine Christianity.

[annalex]

All Augustine is saying is that the Holy Spirit came over Mary and at the time of Jesus' birth she was a virgin.

More precisely he is saying that her virginity "remained inviolate" following the Nativity, but this is all that is being argued at the moment: that per St. Augustine Jesus was not only conceived miraculously but also born miraculously.

Would it be your contention that St. Augustine did not believe in the Blessed Virgin's perpetual virginity even though he believed in her virginity following giving birth?

[karnage]

It's partially a money decision. Keisha Castle-Hughes is an international star from "Whale Rider." Not too many other girls in her age group fit that description. When you're spending $35 million on a movie, plus P&A, you need some names.

[bornacatholic]

Generally, I agree.

However, I am always wiling to, like OJ, make a stab or two first.

[bornacatholic]

U a fan of Anselm?

[bornacatholic]

How "expedient" is it to be vilified and mocked for upholding Tradition?`

I understand how it is others do not accept what we Teach. I really don't understand why our authorities ought be charged with malign or self-interested intent.