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[kosta50]

[Holy Trinity] can only be known and understood by using the rational mind

Hub? God can be "understood?"

[kosta50]

Could be. But they are big enough to be featured on Fox News

Fox News is an insult to intelligence. Your statement only proves it.

[adiaireton8]

If Spunkets thinks that the Second Person of the Trinity came into existence at the annunciation to Mary, then Spunkets is either not a Catholic or does not know Catholic doctrine.

-A8

[kosta50]

God would not be a trinity, unless He was born of woman

With all due respect, your theology is not known to Christianity. Please reveal what denomination, chruch, sect, whatever you belong to. Otherwise any meaningful discussion is pointless.

[xzins]

That's what I suspected. Thanks.

[kosta50]

So this makes Mary the Mother and progenitor of the Trinity. Wow. No wonder you guys worship her

False. Spunkets is neither Catholic nor Orthodox.

[P-Marlowe]

If Spunkets thinks that the Second Person of the Trinity came into existence at the annunciation to Mary, then Spunkets is either not a Catholic or does not know Catholic doctrine.

I think after this post, that I'd have to number you among the spunkets:

Blogger: Mother of God doesn't really mean one who gave God his beginning.

A-8: Yes it does.

????

[P-Marlowe]

False. Spunkets is neither Catholic nor Orthodox.

Then how do you respond to this? (post 2399)

[adiaireton8]

Christ had a beginning through to His human nature, not His divine nature. Mary gave that beginning to Him, by giving Him His human nature.

Spunkets was [apparently] claiming that the Second Person of the Trinity came into existence at the annunciation. The Second Person of the Trinity, however, is eternal. But nevertheless, the Second Person of the Trinity did have a beginning, through His human nature. His human nature is not eternal.

-A8

[adiaireton8]

through to His human nature

[kosta50]

There was a few in Ames, Iowa while I was in college in 96-97

The actual MIGCM movement is only a couple months old. The extent of this "movement" involves a "couple of islands" in the Philippines. But, as Blogger, puts, it this was new worthy for Fox News (no surprise there).

[kosta50]

Now, who was the ONLY Apostle who wasn't martyred by execution, thus living the longest life? What a coincidence, it was John. Mary could have easily been alive and in need after all of the others were gone. It really does make sense once we break it down.

Blogger, a little history will tell you that life on earth for early Christians was not what it is to our society which is in love with the world.

Being martyred was an honor for the earliest followers of Christ. You are interpreting John's longevity as a "reprieve" and a reward. He lived that long in order to complete the Christian canon, to witness the last Revelation, to fulfill his apostolic ministry.

Your theories may be self-pleasing but they are not necessarily true just because they "make sense."

[kosta50]

Blogger, appoligies for including your name in #2412 previous post. Honest mistake.

[Forest Keeper]

It applies to Mary's womb. As I said, where God dwells in Person is Holy of Holies. In order for her to have other children, that Holy of Holies would have to be occupied by ordinary humans.

Jesus dwelt in the house of Mary and Joseph, thus apparently making it a Holy of Holies. Were all visitors vaporized at the doorstep? Wouldn't the ordinary human Joseph have been killed instantly, and contrary to scripture? :)

In addition, if Mary's womb was a Holy of Holies, then wasn't it made unclean every month during Mary's period? It seems to me that if a pass can be granted there, then a pass can be granted for the BLESSINGS of Mary's other children.

[redgolum]

Then it was a different group.

There is also an anti pope (I think the blind Spanish one) who claims similar things.

[kosta50]

Then how do you respond to this? (post 2399)

(1) That was A8 not spunkets. I was referring to spunkets.

(2) Spunkets couldn't possibly be Catholic or Orthodox in his beliefs. He is making up his own theology, using the "sola scriptura" method, "in the wilderness" (by his own admission).

[annalex]

It's a logical concept that can only be known and understood by usingthe rational mind

The ingredients to deduce the concept of the Holy Trinity are in the scripture, just like the Mariology is. It is not formulated in the scripture in the same direct way in which, for example, the Incarnation is formulated. You still need to engage your analytical and synthetical skills to form the concept, and as the first four centuries of Christianity especially show, you may get it wrong.

came here to teach and it is the same with the Holy Spirit.

Partly true, but do not then proclaim that every truth a Protestant community of faith holds up is inspired by it. However, the scripture teaches two things about it:

The teaching of the Holy Spirit is clear and unambiguous:

the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you. (John 14:26)

The teaching of the Holy Spirit is is available sacramentally through the "unction" of confrimation (chrysmation):

let the unction, which you have received from him, abide in you. And you have no need that any man teach you; but as his unction teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie. And as it hath taught you, abide in him (1 John 2:27)

[kosta50]

Then it was a different group. There is also an anti pope (I think the blind Spanish one) who claims similar things

Just like the self-ordained women "priests." There will always be a few (literally speaking) Catholics and Orthodox who will try to remake their Church in thei rown image. We are talking a fraction of the Body of Christ. Any publicity such as Fox news graced this particular group with is too much, and undeserved. It only gives them more prominence than there is.

[annalex]

Thank you. Here is another icon where Christ is giving the Scripture to His mother:

It is worthy to bless Thee, the Virgin

[annalex]

Both Catholicism and Orthodoxy teach the eternal existence of the Holy Trinity, Spunkets.