Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
Augustine and the 2nd Council of Orange thoroughly condemned the semi-pelagian false gospel Rome came to embrace in the middle ages.
Let us see. A celibate man wearing a hairshirt, living in the desert in perpetual fast, -- is he doing something or is he having himself a mind change?
John the Baptist was a sinner just like all born of Adam, including Mary.
The repentance John the Baptist came preaching was repentance of the false religion of the Pharisees and 1st century Judaism which, like Roman Catholicism was of works righteousness, empty rituals, legalism and "sacraments", and to come to true faith in Christ, the Messiah, a message that Rome needs to hear as well.
In the new testament the word church is not a building or organization.. In the new testament sense "wherever two or three meet together in my name", "there am I in their midst".. that is a/the church.. You know, a denomination.. Even if there is nobody that considers themselves clergy.. The Holy Spirit is the ONLY requirement ...
[.. They are several churches in communion with Rome, several Orthodox churches, and perhaps, a few pre-Chalcedon churches such as Ethiopian Armenian and Coptic. ..]
Clubs with bylaws are a secular invention.. pagans, nominal christians, and Judaizers need that.. Galatians is pretty clear about that.. Judaizers do not like Paul or his teachings viscerally.. The book of Galatians was written so that Judaizers didn't hijack that church.. pity that they eventually did.. same with Greeks and Romans..
Yes I quoted you so that my response was salient.. as I did above..
Sacraments are ceremony's and tradition and hijack the Holy Spirits work/job/ministry/help/speaking.. and are probably sacrilegious.. and heretical.. not to speak of Pagan.. And dishonor the Messiah's work.. at least some of them.. And MOCK his work like transubstantiation.. by making his metaphor literal..
I'm sorry to have to get all pedantic on you twice in one day but you left out the rest, to wit:
That's all that I amSomebody's got to stay on top of this stuff.
I'm Popeye the sailor man.
10-4
Does not look that way, unless by "genuine" you mean "Catholic" or "Orthodox" in the modern sense:
Chapter 6. Unbelievers in the blood of Christ shall be condemned.
Let no man deceive himself. Both the things which are in heaven, and the glorious angels, and rulers, both visible and invisible, if they believe not in the blood of Christ, shall, in consequence, incur condemnation. "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Matthew 19:12 Let not [high] place puff any one up: for that which is worth all is faith and love, to which nothing is to be preferred. But consider those who are of a different opinion with respect to the grace of Christ which has come unto us, how opposed they are to the will of God. They have no regard for love; no care for the widow, or the orphan, or the oppressed; of the bond, or of the free; of the hungry, or of the thirsty.Chapter 7. Let us stand aloof from such heretics.
They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that you should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion [of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved. But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils.Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop.
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.
True faith includes obeying the Gospel, no? For relevant scripture see my 15,139.
Show me where Douay deviates from the original.
Point remains, he was doing something to give example of repentance.
See the relevant scripture I cited in 15,139. Baptism, confession, and Holy Communion are all requirements.
Just going by your own posts.
What a curious style of responding.
BTW, I rebuke the whole idea that I’ve born false witness re anyone, in Jesus’ Name—PARTICULARY re you.
What utter unmitigated balderdash.
To point out a heresy in a fellow Christian is charity. To defend the Church form attack is also charity.
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For the above to be true—simply true; generally true . . .
particularly from God’s perspective would depend on a LOT of factors . . .
And biased, hide-bound, tradition bound, tidy-little box bound ... perspectives . . . have, in my experience and observations been chronically prone to wholesale error—i.e. virtually always very seriously wrong and wrong on more than a couple of scores, factors, issues.
GOODNESS.
i must be out in left field.
I thought it was:
“I YAM WHAT I YAM!”
LoL..
Job security..
No their not.. Baptism is symbolic burial of the "old man".. which is metaphorical.. confession and communion to and with the Holy Spirit is fellowship(prayer) with him.. and sets up fellowship with others..
The word IS actually penance, and just another example of someone changing the Bible.
penance: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin paenitentia, penitence, from paenitēns, paenitent-, penitent; see penitent.
Repent:Middle English repenten, from Old French repentir : re-, re- + pentir, to be sorry (from Vulgar Latin *paenitīre, from Latin paenitēre).
Notice the change is very small but it still strays from the inspired Word of God as Canonized by the Catholic Church. Why, I don't know but maybe to support a belief that someone else decided to change???
Now, I know you don't like the Catholic religion but explain to me again how you accept any part of the New Testament as the inspired Word of God? Who was the authority that gave YOU the Bible?
LOLOL!
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