Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
If you say so, FK, useful maybe (for those who may doubt), but necessarily definitely not.
God gave us life as well. We don't call it 'free gift (of life).' God gives us faith; we don't call it 'free gift (of faith).' Life an faith are something we actually have, grace is a pardon (unwarranted mercy) that we benefit from but don't have. It's not a state like freedom (which we don't call 'free gift' but an 'inalienable right').
Calling an engagement ring a 'gift' is also one of those 'oxymorons' because that act comes with conditional expectations. It's a 'deposit' a 'claim.' For some reason, man gives it to the woman and not the other way around, and women are not complaining. :)
A gift of a diamond ring would be a gift only if it were given to someone for no reason whatsoever. An engagement ring is a 'promissory item' usually but not always without a legal contract. It is given because someone wants something in return for it. It is therefore not a gift.
I suppose if you could explain:
The New International Version of the bible. Yep I'll take that translation on google over the original Hebrew or Greek anytime! All those scholars what were they thinking?
NIV, better than the Dead Sea scrolls even!
hah and you folks say you don't worship bibles...
The question was more akin to Jesus=Word Incarnate=Scripture=Jesus?
My answer is no.
I was asking/replying to another poster, back a ways.
thanks for your reply.
Well, what translation is the best? I suppose a number of Orthodox who cant read Greek would like to know. And, if none of them are any good, why hasnt the Orthodox developed one? I realize the printing press was just invented only 600 years ago but I would think that by now it would have been done.
The fact of the matter, after some research, the Orthodox puts no more emphasis on the word of God than any other writings. See Holy Scripture In The Orthodox Church Your posts are evident of the philosophical views the Orthodox have with the word of God. It a way it would be amusing if it wasnt so sad. The Orthodox will defend writings such as the deutercanoncials and then turn around and say they based everything on tradition, and that the Bible, in essence, is junk. That, of course raises the question how do you know what you are reading is the scriptures since (Im sure) you havent personally examined the Byzantine text. This is a very sad commentary on a Church that was started by fathers that held the scriptures in high regards-so much so they declared them inspired. But, this has all been conveniently forgotten by the Orthodox.
Translations may vary but people can examine the original writings, text, and tenses as Ive stated on another post. I dont believe you answered that. Certainly the author of my article seems to know what the correct text was. To be sure there are some passages that are confusing and conflict but for the most part those rectify themselves in time with study and, as I have recently learned, the right soteriology. But I came to the conclusion on day 1 of my Christian life that if a person cant believe the entire word of God, then they cant believe any of it. With study and time a person can know what is written and translations don't matter because God will help a person know the truth. I'm evident of that.
I will also add that denying the viability of the word of God is, in my opinion, one of the worst offenses a person can do. There are biblical reasons for this view. I wont say anything more than that.
You won't find any of us building shrines or venerating before a book.
Just thought I'd help you with your confusion. You're welcome.
You don't have a Bible yet? I'm aghast! How do you know what scripture to quote; if it's accurate or not?
No you just call a book written by men God. No wonder protestants frown on the Eucharist; they think they've got God sitting on their bookshelf.
We don't have an english translation we have a slew of greek and slavic Bibles...
BTW: the printing press was invented WHEN again?
Yet Christians were saved without ever reading scripture (or even being able to read) LONG before a bunch of angry west europeons started worshipping printed texts...
t'wasn't mine, Harley.
Wow, you've certainly led an interesting life. I may have even heard you sing. We honeymooned on waikiki beach in 1988. I wish I had known about the chess pavilion. Perhaps it was just as well though, my bride would have killed me. :)
As his guru I keep telling him : open your K/Q pawns, take COMMAND of the center. CARPE DEUM, sieze the day, get in the enemy's face, ...
Absolutely. When I played all the time in college, I instituted a patsy development program. But even when it was time to throw a game, I had to have my fun. Many times I would open h3 just to watch them squirm to figure out my diabolical plan, instead of noticing the insult. LOL! Those were the days.
Thanks for your reply.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. It looks like men are more willing to trust what other men reveal to them than to trust in the Lord. God says that his Word is truth, wisdom and understanding. That it is written down for men to follow seems to be a stumbling block for some.
The only woman that the Arabs would not try to deceive was Golda Meir because she commanded the power to kick their collective a$$es.
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Pretty good points, to me.
Yeah, the guy I play e-chess with is a masochist. Walter, the german, would beat him every time but let him win 1 in 20 games. Howard has a NEED to be beaten, deep seated guilt complex combined with shepherd archetype. He has this idea that you can go to WAR(in chess) and not lose a single man. Typical naive democrat. I should feel guilty whacking him 9 out of 10 games but true FRers should ALWAYS whack pelosi demonrats wherever they may be found.
The one guy who could STOMP me every time was a navy cryptographer, supremely logical guy who spent 6 months learning chess. Yes, your bride would have been very unhappy w/you if you'd found CHESS CENTRAL on waikiki beach. It's almost like a narcotic, the regulars there play all day until after sunset, having nothing much else to do.
There was this young black kid, always played a "right brain" game(child artist)whereas chess is a "left brain" game(computer engineer), like sudoku. Blacks are generally right-brain strong but left-brain weak, like the lobster with one big claw, one little claw. Thus he was exercising his left brain/little claw by playing chess.
It was pathetic to watch, he'd consistently lose and finally I told him about left brains vs right brains and how to focus his mechanical-organic "computer". But it was an uphill struggle for him. Same with almost all blacks, the enemy isn't whitey/houlis, it's that weak LEFT brain...
Not to be racist(there were GOOD black players there too)but one could see the white/black difference. It comes down to mechanical left brain abilities. Whites(and japanese) tinker with cars, computers, robots, THINGS in high school; blacks play basketball. Same thing w/the native hawaiians.
Ah well, we architects are both artists AND engineers, natural chess players; but we play with BIGGER THINGS than chess men on an 8x8 board. What's your profession?
No you just call a book written by men God. No wonder protestants frown on the Eucharist; they think they've got God sitting on their bookshelf.
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I find that an utterly silly notion devoid of any shred of correlation or congruence with any reality as I've known or experienced reality the last 60 years.
Fascinating.
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