Posted on 12/04/2006 10:22:38 AM PST by SirLinksalot
You missed my point, though. It isn't about whether we are sinners or not, we are. It is a question of God turning His back and forsaking sinners as some suggest He did to Christ when He took our sins on Himself. If God is one to turn His back on Christ due to the sins He personified, then, if God is consistent, Christ should never have come to begin with. If God forsakes sinners, we were forsaken, not forgiven.
However, God does not forsake sinners and we were saved from our sins by a loving God. Christ wasn't forsaken on the Cross, He was teaching His followers to look to Psalm 22 for the answers on what they were witnessing.
With that, I will go home. Good night and God bless.
Now think about how many chapters there are in the Koran. Hint: it's a certain three-digit number.
And you as well.
Nice homepage, great quotes.
So if it could be proved that Jesus was a Jewish Messiah, the Jews would not consider him as Christians do to be the son of God. - tom
From the Abrahamic to Davidic covenants, God promised an everlasting Kingship. There is only one who is an everlasting King and Son of David and only one in Whom this could be accomplished.
It is not that the Jews worship a different God, they just don't recognize Jesus as the perfect fulfillment of God's promises.
Okay, NOW I'm going home...
Thank You! Allah is a generic word for a divinity just like the English word God. Show me ANYWHERE in the pislamic "holy" books (koran or hadith or the sira) that the arabic name for Yahweh is mentioned. In syriac it's Mariah (MAAR YA). If we can translate it so could they, but they don't. What further proof do we need that they do not worship the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob/Israel?
Why is 114 significant?
Hehe yes I'm aware of the unfortunate situation those terrorists for allah are in. My people have said all along that the bulk of the koran (piss be upon it) was nothing more than an Arian tool used to convert pagan Arabs. Arius,you son of a bitch, I pray to God that you're roasting in hellfire as I type this.
"Allah" is the word for a single monotheistic God, just like the English word "God."
If we can translate it so could they, but they don't.
It's translated to "Allah", also many of the lesser Hebrew and Aramaic names of God ("The Truth" "The First and the Last") have direct cognates in Qur'anic Arabic.
allah is not the word for a single monotheistic God. If that was the case, how would muhammed's PAGAN FATHER have a last name - abdallah which means slave of god? Pagan Arabs used that word long before there was even a muhammed. There is no way in hell that allah is a translation of the word Yahweh, no way. check out wikipedia -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
It's a generic word meaning "the god". One of allah's daughters was named "allat" which means "the goddess". Allah = Alaha = Elaha = Eloah. A generic title for a deity. To this day I have yet to see the name Yahweh translated into Arabic.
There is no way in hell that allah is a translation of the word Yahweh, no way. check out wikipedia -
"Yahweh" is not the Name of God, it is an approximation thereof based on the unvocalized Tetragrammaton YHVH. Since "Yahweh" appears nowhere in the Hebrew text of the Bible, the vocalization marks of Adonai were added later to remind the readers to refrain from attempting to pronounce The Name, which hasn't been pronounced since the destruction of the Second Temple.
It's a generic word meaning "the god".
Then it would be two words: the definite article al- and the word for "god" ilah.
Allah = Alaha = Elaha = Eloah. A generic title for a deity.
And on the Cross, when Jesus said Eloi Eloi Lama Sabachthani?, He was invoking a generic god as well? He certainly didn't say "Yahweh" or the complete 72-syllable name of God.
To this day I have yet to see the name Yahweh translated into Arabic.
Proper nouns, especially personal names, rarely require translation.
1) Allah didn't exist in written form before muhammed's time?
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/allah.html
This link says otherwise.
2) Where then is the muslim equivalent of the word Yahweh? If middle eastern Christians can do it, why not muslims? To this day, does ANYONE know what Yahweh translates into in arabic?
3) If that's the case then how do you explain allah's daughter's name "Allat" which literally means "The Goddess"? or his other daughter's name "Aluzzah" which means "The invincible"? allah means "the god". What muslims say now means nothing to me. It originally meant "the god", nothing more, nothing less.
4) Jesus didn't call out "Yahweh" because Jews (believing Jews) never used that word because it was considered so holy. Eloi means "my God", Jesus being Jewish was addressing it to Yahweh. When a Christian says "Thank God" we rigthly assume he's referring to the Judeo-Christian deity Yahweh. When a Hindu says "Thank God" we would rightly assume he's addressing a deity in his pantheon of Gods. God is not a proper name like : Jesus, Vishnu, Yahweh, Zeus, etc....
5) Find, show me how the word Yahweh is in any way connected with the word "allah".
This was His spiritual death. While being judged in our place, His humanity was separated from God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. It was His substitutionary spiritual death that was efficacious for our salvation.
We know that he was physically alive while being judged because He kept screaming, "My God (the Father), my God (the Holy Spirit), why hast thou forsaken me?" He was quoting Psalm 22:1 where the verb in the imperfect tense indicates that He shouted this over and over again. Christ was forsaken because " ...he(the Father)hath made him(Christ)to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him"
When His spiritual death was complete, Jesus Christ shouted, "Tetelestai!" - the perfect tense meaning, "it is finished in the pasty with results that go on forever!"
Note that our Lord was still speaking after salvation was completed. Obviously He could not have spoken if He were physically dead! And certainly if He was still physically alive on the Cross after salvation was complete, His physical death could have nothing whatever to do with the payment for sin!
He died physically by His own volition- no one took His life! His work on the earth was finished, the Father's Plan called for Him to depart and He dismissed His own spirit.
source: The Blood of Christ by R.B.Thieme Pastor of Barachah church in Texas. Dallas Theological Seminary Summa Cum Laude. Nine years of Greek and five years of Hebrew. Now teaching isagogical,categorical and exegetical teaching of the Word of God.
I said a God who would do so, not a God who did.
The Jews fully expect a Messiah to come from our God, the gentiles believe he already did.
The muslims piously assure us they worship the same God, but wriggle out of the question of whether they believe "the prophet Jesus" to have been a liar, a con man, or mentally ill.
The link does not actually say that. Although I find it interesting that the same site claims that Yahweh was a Canaanite rain god with a bull-horned helmet.
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/e/el.html
Where then is the muslim equivalent of the word Yahweh? What is the Muslim equivalent of Milwaukee? YHVH is that YHVH is. If any name is untranslatable, it is The Name. The Tetragrammatron can be represented in Arabic by four letters, just as it is represented by four letters in the Roman alphabet. Ya`-ha`-waw-ya` is much closer to yod-he-vav-he than Y-H-V-H is.
It originally meant "the god", nothing more, nothing less.
And "I am that I am" originally meant a affirmative statement of existence. God's revelation changed that.
More importantly, "al-ilah" is two words meaning "the god" and "Allah" is a single word meaning "God".
Eloi means "my God", Jesus being Jewish was addressing it to Yahweh.
Specifically, it means, "my El", referring to the Levantine sky god El, the husband of the goddess Ashera and the father of the gods Hadad, Yam, and Mot. According to the pantheon.org source you quoted, El is traditionally (as well as Biblically) associated with YHVH.
Find, show me how the word Yahweh is in any way connected with the word "allah". [sic]
They are both Names of God in the Abrahamic tradition, and the names used in Jewish Hebrew and Muslim Arabic scriptures, respectively.
I was startled the first time I attended a Mass in Turkish to hear the Creed open with profession of belief in Allah. However, that's not the name of a god, it's simply the Turkish word for God.
It is the Arabic (and Turkish, apparently) word for God. For Muslims, it is a Name of God, just as Jesus is a Name of God for Christians.
Show me where "Yahweh" is in the Torah.
You know damn well what I mean. "YHWH" who many believe is pronounced "Yahweh" is in the Torah. And according the the Jewish Encyclopedia it's found all over the Torah :
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=165&letter=T&search=yahweh
And in the Syriac bibles it's found all over the Torah too, but TRANSLATED INTO SYRIAC as "Mariah". A feat muhammed, his followers, and his demon never managed to accomplish. So again what is "Yahweh" translated into arabic?
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