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To: HarleyD
how do you know who is in heaven?

You can pray without a certain knowledge. You pray on the assumption that the intercessor is in Heaven, and if he is not, the prayer goes unanswered. In the case of a saint of the Church, we know because of the canonization that examined signs of sainthood.

A saint is not a sinless person (you bring up St. Peter whose sinful nature is amply described in the Gospel). The fact that you have a grievance against St. Thomas More but not against St. Peter does not invalidate St. Thomas More's status as a martyr.

God was pretty mad at Saul about the whole affair

The Church teaches that the fathers of the Hebrews were not a part of the Communion of Saints till Christ rescued them from the Limbo, so the entire Old Testament line of argument is moot.

8 posted on 11/30/2006 1:48:53 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
There are plenty of scriptures which states not to pray to the dead and at least one example of where someone praying to a deceased man of God was a very bad thing. You can't even confirm that the people you're praying to are actually in heaven. Yet you insist it's "OK" because a group of people got together and said it's OK? Well I guess the Church knows best.
11 posted on 11/30/2006 4:36:38 PM PST by HarleyD (Mat 19:11 "But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.)
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