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To: ELS
You have given your interpretation of something Paul said in a different letter (2Co 11:2).

Again, I didn't interpret anything...

What are your credentials?

Simple...I believe what I read in the Bible...

26 posted on 11/24/2006 3:15:35 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool; annalex
ELS: You have given your interpretation of something Paul said in a different letter (2Co 11:2).

Iscool: Again, I didn't interpret anything...

ELS: What are your credentials?

Iscool: Simple...I believe what I read in the Bible...

You can play word games if you insist, but that doesn't change the fact that when one reads words those words are processed in by the intellect into a concept or understanding of what was written. Every person is individual and arrives at an individual understanding or interpretation if you will. Just because you don't call it an interpretation doesn't change the truth of the matter.

Now, to get back to the main dispute. You claim that Benedict XVI doesn't understand what Paul said in Ephesians 5:21-33. Here are Benedict's words:

One of Paul's letters goes so far as to present the Church as the bride of Christ (cf. Ephesians 5:21-33). He thus takes up again a prophetic metaphor, which made of the people of Israel the spouse of God of the Covenant (cf. Hosea 2:4.21; Isaiah 54:5-8): He thus expresses to what point the relations are intimate between Christ and his Church, be it because she is the object of the most tender love on the part of her Lord, or because love must be mutual and we, in as much as members of the Church, must show him a passionate fidelity.
Just so we are on the same page, here is the passage from Ephesians under discussion:
21 Being subject one to another, in the fear of Christ. 22 Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: 23 Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things. 25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it: 26 That he might sanctify it, cleansing it by the laver of water in the word of life: 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any; such thing; but that it should be holy, and without blemish. 28 So also ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife, loveth himself. 29 For no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, as also Christ doth the church: 30 Because we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be two in one flesh. 32 This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the church. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular love his wife as himself: and let the wife fear her husband.

If you want your assertion to be taken seriously, you will provide a substantial argument showing how the Pope has "erred." Merely saying that you don't read it the same way he does is not a substantial argument. Nor is referring to a different passage of Scripture that apparently contradicts the passage under discussion. One can find many apparently contradictory passages of Scripture if that is all one is looking for.

Your church claims it has been the bride for about 2000 years...That's NOT about to get married...

What is 2000 years compared to eternity? What is 2000 years to God who is outside of time, who is eternal? 2000 years is but an infinitesimal instant to God. That means that the Catholic Church most certainly can be and IS the bride of Christ.

30 posted on 11/25/2006 7:15:19 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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