To: ConservativeMind
I am with you up to the offended part. How have the slaves in North Korea offended anyone? It seems to me that they have been sinned against. My concern is for people who are oppressed to the point of death. How is this their fault? The government of South Korea is so steeped in liberal dogma that it does not allow the people of its own nation to reach out to help their own people to the North. Token gestures are no solution to the crisis that engulfs these desperate people.
Your opinion that the Bible teaches salvation to the exclusion of caring for the poor and broken is not consistent with Christian ethics as taught by Jesus.
When I said that your comments do not differ from those of Muslim fanatics I meant just that. Their attitude is Muslim or death. You seem to be saying the same.
The oppression of North Korea is an infamous evil. The unwillingness of the South Korean government to assimilate escapees from that tyranny is unacceptable.
Why, do you suppose, is the South Korean government so bitterly opposed to Bush's doctrine? It is because they refuse to accept responsibility for the desperate people of North Korea. They take the position that the North is a benevolent Marxist state that should remain forever divided from the South. They refuse to acknowledge the murdurous humanitarian crisis in the North.
All of this is dictated by a media and a bureaucracy guided by the humanistic liberal philosophy of moral equivalency. This should be anathema to the Christian in the South.
Just as is the case here in the US, Christians in South Korea are silent in the face of the moral darkness of their government and its elites.
57 posted on
11/18/2006 7:47:31 PM PST by
Louis Foxwell
(Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
To: Amos the Prophet
Your opinion that the Bible teaches salvation to the exclusion of caring for the poor and broken is not consistent with Christian ethics as taught by Jesus.
I have not maintained that. However, if your offer for help is refused by their leader (or that family's parents, etc.), then you have no culpability for what happens.
The whole "Good Samaritan" example shows the need to help someone who is incapacitated in some way, but still accepts the help. There have been plenty of overtures to North Korea over the years and they continue to this day. We have even done this, giving them nuclear power, food, energy, etc. in an effort to win them over and have been screwed in the process. We've helped enable their leader with every step of misplaced "compassion".
We do the same by paying millions to Mideastern kidnappers to give back just one person (funding their ability to kidnap thousands more). We have also sent billions of food and equipment aid to corrupt regimes to help with incessant hunger, only to have the regimes take all the food, hold it hostage or sell it to fund their weapons to further cement their power.
It is good to have the intent to help. It is foolish to allow good to support evil that will maim, rape, and starve the very people our good intentions were meant to help.
Our governments and ruling bodies are responsible for ruling us. As a result, we are limited in what we can do to help others around the world.
If many had their druthers, we'd kill every bad person to allow us to give to the good ones. But God does not expect us to always do that. So, if He can accept that, we should, too.
The unwillingness of the South Korean government to assimilate escapees from that tyranny is unacceptable.
Look, every culture has problems with assimilating people from other countries to some extent or another. This is basically the consequence of being human. It can be encouraged to be more patient or open with them, but this does not mean they aren't Christian nor that there aren't some people there who are helping such people.
To call South Korea a "Failed Christian Nation" is a grotesque mischaracterization of the reality of it all. You are casting aspersions from a position of little knowledge.
To: Amos the Prophet
How have the slaves in North Korea offended anyone? ...The government of South Korea is so steeped in liberal dogma that it does not allow the people of its own nation to reach out to help their own people to the North.I wouldn't describe N. Koreans as slaves, but as rather staunch communists. I also have never met or understood S. Korea described as 'liberal'. I understand their policies regarding aid to the N. Koreans to be a passive measure to insure a liberal underground isn't formed to aid and abet communism within its own borders.
The ROK Marines weren't exactly known for their 'liberal' tendencies. They might be more easily interpretted as being so conservative as to be too legalistic, but hardly too liberal, IMHO.
BTW, the oppression of the N. Koreans isn't being caused by S. Korea. The heart of that opposition is N. Korea.
The policies you are encouraging are the heart of socialist dogma to promote and artificially prop up the corrupt government of N. Korea. They smack of a typical antichristian campaign to associate force with legalism and ignore the enforcement of legitimate authority and the defense of liberty and freedom.
62 posted on
11/19/2006 1:15:52 AM PST by
Cvengr
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