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To: sionnsar

Feel free- I was born and grew up in the effing USSR, and thus I have the first hand experience of the "Orthodox civ". Just remember - I judge the trees [religions] by their fruit - the corresponding Huntingtonian civilizations, i.e. the societies they tend to produce and promote. In my framework the "filioque" is utterly irrelevant, but the fact that out of the Orthodox civ people tend to vote with their feet to the West, while in the opposite direction there is barely a trickle - is highly relevant.


8 posted on 11/17/2006 6:11:12 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob; sionnsar; Kolokotronis; Agrarian; MarMema; Martin Tell; annalex
Feel free- I was born and grew up in the effing USSR, and thus I have the first hand experience of the "Orthodox civ"

And I was born in what used to be Yugoslavia and I, too, have the first-hand experience of the "Orthodox civ," and most of the people there were baptized Orthodox and that's about as far as they went. After 50 years of communism (70 in the case of USSR), most people forgot in their souls what Orthodoxy is.

In my framework the "filioque" is utterly irrelevant

You just proved my point.

out of the Orthodox civ people tend to vote with their feet to the West, while in the opposite direction there is barely a trickle - is highly relevant

Of course, because they don't fast, pray or go to church regularly (only 4% do in Russia). They are as materialistic as the West (where on average about 5% go to church regularly), probably more the west out of the desire to imitate it. So, given to human passions, naturally they go where those passions are "free."

But your blatant statement that "Orthodoxy is a religion for despotisms" takes the cake. Last time I checked, America was colonized by people fleeing religious persecutions in Magna Carta England. Americans staged the incident in Boston shouting "no taxation without representation." America established the system of balance of power between the three branches of the government in order to prevent tyranny of King George type.

Let's not forget 20th century tyrannies like Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, or Franco's Spain. Let's not forget that when Germany was run by uniformed ministers, as an absolutist Empire in 1914, and when Austria-Hungary was a no less absolutist, Orthodox Greece and Serbia were constitutional monarchies.

Orthodoxy does not favor any form of government. The NT teaches us that we must respect government. Power is from God. What people do with power is not God's fault, but ours. God gave us dominion over earth and we perverted it.

25 posted on 11/19/2006 5:07:53 AM PST by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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