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To: xzins
It is not a lie to be silent.

Here in the land of truth, we call it a "lie by ommission." But, Arminius wasn't silent. He took an oath to be appointed to his position(s). He simply out and out lied and then taught contrary doctrine behind the backs of those he had just betrayed. Like I said, aparently, he believed that the ends justified his means.

Nor is it a lie to speak some things only when you are in safety.

So, if your life is in peril, then it is OK to lie. Show me one Apostle that resorted to the tricks of the Devil to save his own skin. If I remember, you are descended from the Anglicans by faith. Perhaps you might ought to look at the courage of Cramner who found his courage in the end and died as a true Christian should instead of cowering to keep that which no man may keep.

Blessed is he who give up his life to gain that which he can't lose. At least that is what my Bible seems to suggest. Perhaps it means other things to you, like go ahead and lie.

Post Toasties Lox n Bagels

I realize that all of these things are just games to you and your buddies. Eventually, you will grow up. BTW, the things you mock are the cherised cries of the Reformation. (And you and your club want us to think that you are Reformers.)

post tenebras lux,

62 posted on 11/14/2006 5:46:27 PM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Lord_Calvinus; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Buggman

After the dark....breakfast. (And sometimes 2nd breakfast.:>)

Yep, we're pretty light-hearted about these things that don't matter to one's salvation. As Romans 10 says, "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

That's what counts.

I wouldn't consider for a moment that there's any wisdom at all in dying for my pre-trib rapture leanings. It's not essential for salvation.

The wise one was Arminius. In some things, we see through a glass darkly. Therefore, your rendering of history is a little bit of a chronological contortion. We've gone through this before, but Arminius was ALWAYS a child of the Reformation.

The misguided ones were those who'd take a man's life over such things.

Pst Tsties Lx n Bgls


63 posted on 11/15/2006 4:53:40 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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