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To: jude24; Frumanchu; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan

From the participants or descendants of Dort. I've posted the history from at least 2 sources and it seems to be the same. We could go for other sources, but I suspect they'll also say the same. It's hardly pulp history.

In any case, it goes to the climate of the age, and it speaks to the nature of the meetings, synods, hearings, etc. that were held.

It sounds as if there was no ability to speak or be heard, so one can only wonder what really went on with Arminius, Grotius, Remonstrants, etc.

And the so-called "political safety" of Arminius is fiction. No wonder he was careful about speaking out.


11 posted on 11/14/2006 6:55:53 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
And the so-called "political safety" of Arminius is fiction. No wonder he was careful about speaking out.

Sounds to me like anyone who would have spoken up in opposition to the majority (er, rather, the unanimous) position of the council of Dordt would have had a shortened life expectancy.

12 posted on 11/14/2006 7:00:35 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins
In any case, it goes to the climate of the age, and it speaks to the nature of the meetings, synods, hearings, etc. that were held.

Which is irrelevant.

The case for Calvinism is not found solely in the pages of historical theology. It is found in the detailed exegesis of Romans 9-11, Ephesians 2, and John 6.

Playing around with this justification of Arminius and his acolytes serves only to gratify the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history. It really is neither here nor there.

16 posted on 11/14/2006 7:11:07 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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