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To: adiaireton8; Forest Keeper
Can you point FK and myself to some concise doctrinal writing that clearly defines the purpose of Holy Spirit from the Catholic perspective? I'm sure we would be appreciate the clarification.

As far as the Atonement, you might have read St. Anselm' Cur Deus Homo but you must not have read newadvent. It was from St. Anselm's writings, in the spirit of the traditions of the fathers, the Church reinvented themselves in regards to the Atonement. The blood atonement is no longer the Catholic belief. Instead they hold to an Orthodox belief that the atonement was only a sacrifice showing love.

I find the article extremely interesting because they say the early church fathers for 1500 years believe in a blood atonement but Anselm came along providing clarification. Even though this wasn't a big deal to the Reformers they went back to the teachings of the early fathers while the Church "progressed". They insinuate this as a reason why Protestantism is bad because they don't have all these "wise" teachers to evolve the Church. HA!

What the article fails to mention is that the atonement wasn't an issue simply because it didn't come up until after the Protestants left. The Protestants are following the original teachings of the atonement in the western church while the Catholics have adopted the Eastern Orthodox position.

We've had this discussion out on the Luther/Eramaus thread with several Catholic, including members of the clergy. I verified what they stated through the newadvent site which clearly states this and I even posted snips. Sorry, but I would like Catholics to understand the official teachings of the Church. It helps all of us in our discussions. The atonement to a Catholic is nothing more than the supreme act of love. Nothing more. Write the Vatican if you don't believe me.

459 posted on 11/22/2006 7:45:03 AM PST by HarleyD (Mat 19:11 "But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.)
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To: HarleyD
Can you point FK and myself to some concise doctrinal writing that clearly defines the purpose of Holy Spirit from the Catholic perspective? I'm sure we would be appreciate the clarification.

No. The Holy Spirit, being God, has no purpose.

but you must not have read newadvent.

That would be a non sequitur.

It was from St. Anselm's writings, in the spirit of the traditions of the fathers, the Church reinvented themselves in regards to the Atonement.

Anselm's writings do help us understand the atonement better.

The blood atonement is no longer the Catholic belief.

Where does any official Catholic document say that?

I have already shown above (#453) that you just made up something about the Catholic Church denying the "indwelling of the Spirit". On that account, I'm not just going to accept your assertions concerning what the Catholic Church teaches. On the subject of the atonement, I am going to stick with the Catechism over your unjustified speculations. The Catechism (1992) reads:

"Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men."

Are you done making false accusations, or do you want to keep digging your hole deeper?

-A8

476 posted on 11/22/2006 10:35:25 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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