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To: adiaireton8
If you know of even one verse that gives one infallible knowledge *now* that one is elect for glory, I would like to see it.

If you don't know that your "elected" *now* these verses are utterly stupid...

If you don't know that you are the elect *now* then how can you do any of this?
448 posted on 11/22/2006 1:56:34 AM PST by HarleyD (Mat 19:11 "But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.)
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To: HarleyD
First, how do you know that the word "elect" in Col 3:12 is referring to "election to glory" and not merely "election to grace"? Without knowing *that*, this verse would not show you that you are elect for glory.

Second, how do you know that no apostates-to-be ever read this verse and interpret it to mean that they are elect for glory? If apostates-to-be can read this verse and interpret it that way, then just because you interpret it as meaning that you are elect for glory does not show infallibly that you are elect for glory. You could still turn out to be one of those apostates-to-be who mistakenly think the verse is referring to them.

-A8

451 posted on 11/22/2006 5:36:31 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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