[kerryusama04]

I don't *put* any value on Scripture. It already *has* value, being the Word of God.

I'm starting to think you purposely misinterpret my responses. Just exactly what value is scripture to you? What is the standard with which you judge doctrine to be sound?

Because it is worth commenting on.

But if it isn't the final arbiter, what is the point? If the Word of God is not the gold standard, why bother? Why not just post excerpts from the Catechism?

Creation is too strong a word. All the truths of orthodoxy are received, determined, preserved, and put forward by the Catholic Church. But the Church does not "create" dogma.

In what year was Mary deemed to have ascended?

First, this is no game. This is reality, and the stakes are eternity.

By "end game", I meant result and I am sure you knew that.

But second, if you think that the Catholic faith is so maleable, feel free to name one dogma that the Church has changed.

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"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." Cardinal Gibbons (for many years head of the Catholic Church in America), The Faith of Our Fathers (92d ed., rev.; Baltimore: John Murphy Company), p.89.

[Diego1618]

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[adiaireton8]

It was never a dogma of the Church that Sunday was not to be sanctified, or that some day instead of Sunday was to be sanctified. So the claim about Sunday worship is not an instance of the Church changing a dogma.

Just exactly what value is scripture to you?

Do you know the difference between extrinsic and intrinsic value? You keep asking questions about extrinsic value, as if you don't know about intrinsic value. Scripture is immensely valuable, because, as I already said, it is the "Word of God".

What is the standard with which you judge doctrine to be sound?

If the Sacred Magisterium approves it.

But if it isn't the final arbiter, what is the point? If the Word of God is not the gold standard, why bother? Why not just post excerpts from the Catechism?

You are viewing the three-fold authority (Magisterium, Scripture, Tradition) as if they are necessarily *hierarchically* related. But they are not hierarchically related. They are three equal authorities, but each in a different mode that complements the other two.

In what year was Mary deemed to have ascended?

I don't know that the *year* Mary ascended was "deemed".

By "end game", I meant result

Sorry, I didn't know you meant "result". I like chess, and "end game" in chess does not mean "result". I thought you were using a chess term.

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[Campion]

You were challenged to find a dogma that has changed. Instead you came up with a practice that was changed from Jewish observance during the times of the Apostles, and lot of juvenile, painful-to-read html silliness.