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To: sionnsar; FormerLib; Agrarian

"I'd be interested in hearing from Orthodox familiar with the US Anglican 1928 BCP on the following:

When the Episcopal Church established the 1979 prayer book for regular use in the parishes, it accomplished a major overhaul of the historic Anglican way of prayer, a way of prayer that was not unlike the Orthodox way of prayer. ...
The historic Book of Common Prayer is something most Orthodox would feel fairly comfortable with because Thomas Cranmer’s liturgy is rooted deeply in the liturgy of St. Basil the Great."

My familiarity with the 1928 BCP is limited to serving as a "fill in" altarboy for weekday evening liturgies at the Episcopal parish in the town I went to college at back in 1971. As I recall it, it far more similarities to the Tridentine Roman Mass than to the Divine Liturgy of +Basil the Great. That said, since that time I have read the rubrics of the pre-Schism Sarum Liturgy which certainly shows Eastern roots and the 1928 BCP liturgy is really quite like the Sarum liturgy. There is a very small group in the Antiochian Church here in the States which calls itself Western Rite Orthodoxy. They use a Liturgy modeled after the Anglican liturgy set forth in the 1892 BCP but with some changes to conform to Orthodox theology. The idea came from +Tikhon who put together the Liturgy for Western Christians interested in Orthodoxy. It has never gained much currency and is slowly dying out at least here. It has never made any headway among "cradle" Orthodox in the West and in fact the idea of it has been condemned by many Orthodox writers.

My admittedly ill informed take on this women's comment as quoted is that she is quite wrong about Orthodox Christians finding the 1928 BCP liturgy "comfortable", though I do not doubt that the Divine Liturgy of +Basil the Great lurks somewhere in its distant liturgical lineage.


4 posted on 10/31/2006 6:34:31 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Amazing lady. Her story illustrates the problem with female priests. However, she is a leader worthy of followers.


5 posted on 10/31/2006 7:22:20 PM PST by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: Kolokotronis

You are correct that most Orthodox Christians would not be comfortable with the Divine Liturgy of the Book of Common Prayer. When the Anglicans and Orthodox were discussing a closer relationship early in the 20th century, Orthodox leaders insisted that the BCP epiclesis was far too vague and weak. The Episcopal Church is essentially Protestant, but as one reader has written, enjoys processions and dressing up as if it were in the catholic tradition.

Thomas Cranmer, the architect of the Book of Common Prayer, incorporated elements of the older liturgies that he felt corrected flaws of the medieval Roman Mass. Cranmer's liturgy hardly survives in the 1979 prayer book because the liberals in the Episcopal Church didn't like the penitent tone that comes through from the Liturgy of St. Basil.


6 posted on 11/01/2006 12:09:21 AM PST by Alice Linsley (Ignore the + after my name.)
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