Posted on 10/30/2006 8:56:41 AM PST by Rightly Biased
I'm curious when you say this. What purpose DO they serve. When someone is set free, delivered, healed, or even receives the miracle of salvation, what purpose does that serve? .. if not the same purpose it served during the 1st century.
Or are you stating that you don't believe miraculous gifts don't exsist anymore?
Because it lessons the Bible as a closed canon and will result in chaos.
The gift of salvation absolutely exists. The miraculous gifts I am speaking of, including speaking in tongues, prophecy, and miraculous healing, however, do not exist in the church today.
That's sort of like the math exercise where 2 + 2 ends up equalling 5.
Yes, Holy Spirit points to Jesus.
What Scripture declares that Jesus is the "end" of revelation? What would be the plausible meanings of such a verse?
Certainly Jesus and The Cross are the fulcrum of all we know and construe as reality.
Nothing about Holy Spirit operating in the NOW detracts from that; hinders that; alters that a microgram's worth.
To imagine that the New Testament details ALLLLLLLLL the revelation that JESUS IS, reduces Jesus to a finite entity. HOGWASH. Doesn't work. Won't fit. Scripture itself makes that clear--that Scripture is just a kind of detailed snapshot of the essentials of all Jesus is.
ONE reason Holy Spirit is to lead each believer into all truth is that Scripture is the foundation, the guidelines, the beginning . . . each believer is expected to GROW FORWARD, UPWARDS, ONWARDS, FROM THAT FOUNDATION. Not altering it. Not going contrary to it . . . but in a real sense . . . unfolding, expanding, beyond it in the same sense that Jesus wholeness is beyond the finite descriptions in the ink on pages.
I could probably pontificate further but I should get back to pottery.
Because it lessons the Bible as a closed canon and will result in chaos.
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Hogwash.
Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion . . . satan is.
Holy Spirit is into decency and in order. Now, HIS ORDER can appear chaotic at times. But that's a different issue.
He's merely much more creative, varied, expansive than lots of people can easily wrap their minds and biases around.
NOTE TO BELIEVERS: BUCKLE YOUR SEAT BELTS. You ain't seen nothing yet. Christ Himself said GREATER THINGS SHALL YOU DO. And, Holy Spirit has hardly even begun to commence to start getting wound up for THAT grand finale.
The criteria is not anything about a closed Canon. The criteria Christ gave is does the source, channel assert that Christ came in the flesh etc. THAT'S BIBLICAL.
Does the phenomenon/a bring glory to Christ and further HIS KINGDOM.
THAT'S BIBLICAL
THAT'S DECENT AND IN ORDER REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF FOLKS LYING ON THE FLOOR.
But, hey, if folks are silly enough to seek to withstand what God is doing . . . not my tail feathers looking to get singed.
Not my pride seeking to get humiliated.
But humiliation in thick layers and great intensity and vividness is in store for any and all who will dare to withstand God in the coming months and years--ESPECIALLY THOSE CALLED BY HIS NAME.
End of notice.
That assertion is 100% false, wrong, untrue, unBiblical.
1 Corinthians 13:10
Well, you don't BELIEVE they exist in the church today. *smile* My daughter didn't BELIEVE that caterpillars turned into butterflies either .. until she experienced the joy of watching it happen.
I can't change your mind, only the Holy Spirit can. I'm married to a man who believed just at you do, until he received a healing/deliverance and then began to repent for his lack of belief and pray only for God's all and God's best for him. He is now a man who BOLDLY talks about the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit in his day to day life.
I've personally received a physical healing, that also completed a prophecy over my life. I'm currently praying about sharing that with you. I'm not sure it's appropriate for open forum, however, the Holy Spirit might just ask me to do that, in which case, I won't hesitate.
do not exist in the church today.
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I'm not remotely lying in the slightest about the miracles in my life . . . such as the rain on 4 sides of the drying hay but not on the hay . . . Such things brought my step-father to Saving knowledge of Jesus The Christ.
Throw rocks at will. But it's not recommended against what Holy Spirit does. Father is not impressed nor pleased with such.
BTW, guess what . . . FATHER'S OPINION MATTERS
A LOT.
The whole book of Revelation
Re 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is , and which was , and which is to come , the Almighty.
Re 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Re 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Re 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Further consider this:
Jesus said : The Law and the prophets were until John (Luke 16:16)
I have nothing against the Holy Spirit, and I have said nothing against Him.
Aren't straw dogs cute.
And stupid.
If knowledge is past, how can one know anything about wheteher The Perfect has come or not come? If knowledge has not passed, neither has tongues.
It's clear to most folks with an open mind and a microgram's worth of Holy Spirit discernment
that
THE PERFECT ONE IS JESUS THE CHRIST . . . AND THE POINT WHEN ALL SUCH NO LONGER NEEDED STUFF IS DONE AWAY WITH IS WHEN HE RETURNS AND SETS UP HIS KINGDOM.
Doesn't seem like rocket science, to me!
Is language still taught in schools? I thought it was.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
And, true about Holy Spirit having to be the one enlightening folks.
However, He's such a gentleman, He tends to wait for their earnestly seeking it.
Then He tends to wait until their will is more molded to His.
Eventually, the enlightenment tends to come.
But the process CAN be a lengthy one.
Uhhhhhh, hello?
Has all of Revelation come to pass yet????
I chose my words very carefully . . . against
HOLY SPIRIT'S
DOINGS.
I believe that also, quix. It is abundantly clear that Satan believes it also, because you can't deny the magnitude of evil operating in the world. he (satan) is hard at work, huh?
Normal knowledge is not what is being discussed in that passage of Scripture. It is referring to supernatural knowledge. It makes not sense that Paul would be talking about a group of supernatural things, and just throw in normal knowledge.
Also, the better rendering of the word that is usually translated perfect is complete. That is being contrasted with what was "in part". This is not talking about Christ, but rather is talking about the revelation of God, which is His Word.
I'm willing to listen to your argument but you will have to post scripture that supports ongoing revelation. Jesus Himself appealed to scripture whenever He was asked hard questions. The servant. as we well know, is not above his master. So, your own personal words and feelings are not authoritative, sorry.
I believe that also, quix. It is abundantly clear that Satan believes it also, because you can't deny the magnitude of evil operating in the world. he (satan) is hard at work, huh?
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YEAH! That issue has always flabbergasted me.
For folks to construe that Holy Spirit went fishing when John ran out of ink at the end of Revelation . . .
they'd have to construe God to be an absolutely stupid General to leave The New Church running around loose amidst all the satanic supernatural powers without Holy Spirit to counter them?
No Way.
God is a long way from that dumb!
Uhhhhhh when did the COMPLETENESS OF CHRIST SETTING UP HIS KINGDOM ON EARTH ETC.
happen.
I think I missed that memo.
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