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To: Uncle Chip; kerryusama04; wmfights; Iscool
This magician Simon who sat in a sacerdotal chair in Rome for 25 years? whose followers were "called Christians", was called by these "so-called Christians" many appellations including: the Father {Pater}

Interesting word....Pater.

Peter, Pator, Patre, Padre, Patora, Preter was the name given to many ancient heathen Gods. The term always meaning "inter"preters" of sacred knowledge. In many ancient cultures the father was the chief priest of the family and became known as Pator. The head Pator was the Arch Pator....or the "Patriarch".

The early Roman writer "Lucilius" mentions that Neptune, Liber, Saturn, Mars, Janus and Quirnus were all Paters.... Chief Gods......especially Ju-Piter. Jupiter was the Roman way of saying "Zeus Peter" and was the chief god of the Greeks.

The pagan God, Artemis is pictured standing by a stone pillar....a phallic symbol which became known as Petras....or simply a "Peter". Yes, there was a Peter in Rome.....early in the first century.....for about 25 years. It was not the Apostle Peter....it was Simon "Pator" Magus.

557 posted on 11/02/2006 8:44:30 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; stfassisi; RnMomof7; fortheDeclaration
Interesting word....Pater. Peter, Pator, Patre, Padre, Patora,Preter was the name given to many ancient heathen Gods. The term always meaning "inter"preters" of sacred knowledge.

Interesting indeed!! Could this simple play on words give us a clue as to the origin of the heresy of Preterism, which according to Irenaeus came from the Father [Pater, Peter, Preter] of all heresies, Father Simon Magus himself. Listen to this from Irenaeus on this matter and see if you can discern from him what other heresies are coming from the pens and mouths of Father Simon Magus's disciples.

"But if any one, 'doting about questions', do imagine that what the apostles have declared about God should be allegorized, let him consider my previous statements, in which I set forth one God as the Founder and Maker of all things and laid bare the allegations . . . both the Mosaic Law and the grace of the new covenant, as being fitted for the time [at which they were given], were bestowed by one and the same God for the benefit of the human race.[Verse 11]

"For all those who are of a perverse mind, having been set against the Mosaic legislation, judging it to be dissimilar and contrary to the doctrine of the Gospel, have not applied themselves to investigate the causes of the differences of each covenant. Since, therefore, they have been deserted by the paternal love, and puffed up by Satan, being brought over to the doctrine of Simon Magus, they have apostatized in their opinions of Him who is God, and imagined that they have themselves discovered more than the apostles, by finding out another god; an [maintained] that the apostles preached the Gospel still somewhat under the influence of Jewish opinions, but that they themselves are purer [in doctrine], and more intelligent than the apostles. Wherefore also, Marcion and his followers have betaken themselves to mutilating the Scriptures, not acknowledging some books at all, and curtailing the Gospel according to Luke, and the Epistles of Paul, they assert that these alone are authentic, which they themselves have shortened." [Irenaeus: Against Heresies: Book III: Chapter 12: Verses 11,12]

How many things discerned from Irenaeus's writings here are taught in the churches of Christendom today. We can start with 1]Preterism, then 2] the Allegorization of the Scriptures, then 3] Replacement Theology, then 4] an irrational disdain for and mischaracterization of Dispensational Theology, then 5] that what the prophets of the Jewish side of the Book wrote are not for today, then 6] the use of those versions of the Bible that are based upon the corrupted manuscripts that came from the hands of the disciples of Father Simon the Magician.

This is a wake up call, not just to Catholics but to all those who "call themselves Christians" and are "called Christians". Where, oh where, do those things that everyone spends so much of their time torturing Bible passages to make them try to say really come from?

Irenaeus identifies these 6 above and more as originating, not from the apostles or the Scriptures, but from the disciples of Simon the Magician, the founder of that magisterial counterfeit Roman religion that still sits there today. Think about it. Think long and hard about it.

594 posted on 11/04/2006 4:51:55 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Diego1618; stfassisi
The pagan God, Artemis is pictured standing by a stone pillar....a phallic symbol which became known as Petras....or simply a "Peter". Yes, there was a Peter in Rome.....early in the first century.....for about 25 years. It was not the Apostle Peter....it was Simon "Pator" Magus.

Now that makes sense and that explains that phallic symbol sitting in the center of the Vatican circle --- an image to that particular "Peter" of Rome himself, Simon Magus. Is it not within the character of this magician who mystified a flock of people "called Christians" to also allow and invite them to call him "Peter". That counterfeit Christian cult there in Rome had a bishop over them named "Simon Magus" but called "Simon Peter" or just "Peter". This would explain all the insistence of those mythmakers that someone called "Peter" was the Bishop of Rome for 25 years. It was Simon the magician called "Peter".

In addition, as we learned from Irenaeus, that Roman Bishop Simon Magus was called "the Father", which in Latin is spelled "Pater", but easily misspelled to appear as "Peter". And , of course, we know how good magicians are at "casting spells" on people and "mis-spells" on words as the need arises.

And finally, Simon Magus was looked upon as the Interpreter [Latin: Interpretari] or Interpeter of the gods and their words. Once again, when casting misspells, what's a few more letters, especially when your disciples are building a magisterium of "interpeters" who will one day lay claim, by way of the authority passed down to them by their magister of pretense, to be the sole interpeters of the Scriptures

599 posted on 11/04/2006 8:14:49 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Diego1618
That there is one of the most fabulously psychotic arguments I've read in a long time.

I think we're done here.

655 posted on 11/05/2006 7:02:56 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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