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To: annalex
This is getting us nowhere. For one who dismisses scripture only, you certainly insist that the very notion be precisely scriptural, correctly worded, at that.

Ideas are God inspired. The idea of "Use The Scriptures" was communicated by the passage in question. I don't think you can reasonably say that, at the time, the practice or guideline was to think up a great idea, then teach it as doctrine, and this was accepted practice.

You must give me evidence that the Old Testament was treated like that by the Levities, or any Israelite.

My references to the Catholic clergy is stained with fact the the fathers of the church tell you to pray to dead humans when every word in the Bible states or implies that people pray to God, and with the new covenant, through the Christ in faith and belief, only.

As I said before, the smaller the number of books, down to the maximum of them that can be absolutely trusted as accurate, is the best way. Christ's message was very simple.

You give the church Holy Ghost authority using the scriptures with only labored interpretation, and some on conjecture. This is why you endlessly get an argument. If you had anything compelling, it would have been settled long ago.

Not everybody agrees that what the church calls the Apocalypse was divinely inspired. The four Gospels, Acts, Letters everyone agrees was inspired. Let's leave it at that. God promised some exquisite consequences to those who follow false doctrine. I not so sure He would consider the lessor offense of having been duped.

Yes, you don't go by scripture alone. So, what do you think God thinks about praying to dead people? He's OK with it, do you think? Is Christ the Lord? Based on what we know this Spirit has said, that is written down, like scripture?

But I get it! You don't go by scripture alone, so you don't have to have scripture to say you need not use scripture. What a great con; my hat is off.

Again you ask me for scripture, when you are saying scripture is not necessary. Because Protestants believe in scripture only so we should follow our own example? Ah, but if not needing scripture is Truth, it is Truth for anyone.

But not for the Catholic church, of course. They have scripture to prove it. Why should they need scripture to prove it if scripture is not necessary?

Why not just publicly claim up front and in all writings the notice that the Catholic church is the only true church, the only true interpreter of God's word, old and new covenants, whose word is law and whose authority is the voice of God Himself and anyone who departs from its doctrine is eternally damned to hellfire?

Each point above proceeds directly from the premise that holy scriptures can be no governor to one, and only one, church.

The church is not in the scripture. The Bible is, and always has been about individuals, not some preeminent, huge corporation that controls the world's access to God.

The Body of Christ is all the individuals that believe in the Christ and His teachings. I imagine there are a number of them in the Catholic church.

Read it again and try to think like an individual soul of God and not like a corporation.

The perfection of men of God could and can be achieved by any individual then or now, with or without a church, or any other corporate structure. The word of God is for MANKIND!

Where does the scripture teach you don'thave to go by scripture? I ask you again, where is even the custom or practice in the Old or New testament that allows men disregard the need for the authority of the scriptures?

Or are you guys just freewheelin' it?

554 posted on 11/02/2006 6:47:33 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
For one who dismisses scripture only, you certainly insist that the very notion be precisely scriptural, correctly worded, at that.

I am proving you wrong. If the scripture be the sole source of Christian truth, then this fact better be right there in the scripture, black on white, inambiguous. It is not.

Why not just publicly claim up front and in all writings the notice that the Catholic church is the only true church, the only true interpreter of God's word, old and new covenants, whose word is law and whose authority is the voice of God Himself and anyone who departs from its doctrine is eternally damned to hellfire?

Why not? Of course the Catholic Church is the only true Church, established by Christ, His only mystical body and bride, outside of which there is no salvation. Christ has one body and one bride, and so there is one Church and one Church only, amen.

And your incredulous gasps are just your opinion.

559 posted on 11/02/2006 9:01:49 PM PST by annalex
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