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Thank you for the comprehensive list which includes a wealth of scripture attesting to Peter's place in the Church Christ established. If it does nothing else I hope that it gives nonCatholics a good idea about why Catholics cannot be moved by their arguments;the Catholic position is steeped in scripture.

I will be very interested to see if nonCatholics will take the time to answer the implicit challenge to refute or argue the scriptures that you cited. I think that would show a desire to work together to accomplish our Triune God's plan for unity.

First, Hi Sara, it's been a long time since we have had a FR discussion.

Second, the list of "Scripture" is a long standing Apologetics propaganda listing. Some of it absoloutely correct, some speculation, and some s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-s. It is not worthy of a point by point rebuttal.

Do I believe Peter was pre-eminent among the Apostles? Yes.

Do I believe he was their undisputed leader and became "Pope" after the crucifiction? No.

Yes,it has been a long time. Was happy to see the last two sentences of your new tag line. "To be perfectly clear. I know nothing."

Praise and congratulations,you have finally recognized what we (the worthy adversaries) concluded many years ago.(o__-)<---that's a wink from a computer illiterate.

Good to see you again!!!

I am even less inclined to argue with folks who extrapolate,interpolate,parse,pick,choose and ignore than I once was. I'll just say that it is tragic that rather than uniting in the face of dangerous opposition it seems that some people just want to keep spinning,twisting and mixing the mess.