Posted on 10/27/2006 8:14:39 PM PDT by Salvation
NO,But I know people who can translate for me.
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Didn't I read that Babylon was just a code name for Rome??? But then what do we call Babylon???
Please post the writings of the Syriac fathers that explicitly say Peter was the Bishop of Antioch for 30 years. Post the actual writings,NOT protestant interpretations please.
Does that mean you want them in the original language?
Perhaps we can help each other. I will help you find all the writings of the Syriac Fathers in that regard, if you will help me find all the writings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers regarding the 25 year Bishopric in Rome? And we will compare them to determine which claim, or if either, is true? What say you?
History
Chip's only role here is to be an obnoxious starter of crap.
It has been a pleasure talking with you. I must get back to my studies of the Ante-Nicene Fathers. Tonight its Irenaeus. Have a good evening ----
The Great Commission is to evangelize the world, given all the natural apostles by Christ. I am referring to the last chapter of the synoptic gospels. So, I have no argument with that. However, the fact remains that Paul had to establish his credentials and he edscribes how he got them and from whom, in Galatians 2:9.
The Great Commission had nothing to do with Gentiles
Please. I bolded the references to the gentiles.
Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Mt 28:19)Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (Mark 16:15)
penance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, unto all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
When Peter had the experience with the Gentile in Acts 10, it was part of the 'transition'
What "transition"? Is it in the scripture or not? Peter baptized the first gentile, Cornelius. Peter received the vision the the whole Creation is clean. Peter, James and John decided that Peter would breach to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles. So, it is incorrect to say that Peter has a limited commission or had nothing to do with the Gentiles.
You really should ping the one you are referring too, per FR rules.
Discuss the issues all you want but do NOT make it personal!
I'll ponder what you wrote in #128. Had something else in response, but flushed it, could be taken wrong. That took some effort to put that together, and I thank you for it.
Thank you for your questions.
In #123 it should be Armenian Church, one in the country of Armenia, which has nothing to do with a protestant theologian Arminius. Armenia together with Ethiopia hold the distinction of being first countries where Christianity became a state religion, by the way. Rome was third.
Among pre-chalcedon Churches are Coptic, Syrian and Armenian Apostolic (Catholicosate of Cilicia) Churches.
Sorry.
Much appreciate your clarification. Thanks.
- The Protestant communities of faith that departed from the Latin rite of the Catholic Church , and continue fracturing themselves. Whatever their accomplishments are, their existence is wholly secondary to the Latin Church of Rome, of whom they received everything they continue to keep.
This is all I meant: that genetically the Protestant communities are children of Rome.
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I still read and construe history differently.
1. Believers did not receive from organizations and certainly not from human focused; human established; human structured organizations of any kiind or origin--and especially not RELIGIOUS organizations given to lording it over one another.
2. Believers received directly from CHRIST--KING OF KINGS; LORD OF LORDS; RULER OF ALL THAT IS.
3. Further, Christ left His Spirit to carry on a continual daily refilling of each believer; moment guidance of each believers; moment by moment praying always of each believer . . .
4. If anything, a much greater case than being a blessing can be made that particularly the Roman hierarchy and organizational edifice from approximately 200 whatever it really became established has been brutal to believers FAR MORE than it has been supportive and encouraging of them having a DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD
instead of a parasitic relationship with the organization and the hierarchy.
5. Believers everywhere have no SECONDARY EXISTENCE to one another nor to any human organization nor to any congregation.
6. BEFORE THE CROSS IS THE UTMOST OF LEVEL PLAYING FIELDS. Those not willing to be equal before The Cross shall be in danger of losing the benefits of The Cross or at least suffering serioius discip;ines.
7. As best as I can recall, EVERY effort in The Gospels to out rank another even disciple or believer WAS SLAPPED DOWN FIERCELY by Jesus The Christ.
8. There is no genetic delivery of Biblical truth from the Romanist tradition, imho. Whatever good may have filtered to other Christian groups from the Romanist traditions had already been wholesale delivered by Christ and His Spirit directly in a myriad of ways through a myriad of channels throughout the centuries including before the Romanist traditions began in 200 whatever AD.
9. God doesn't have grandchildren. He only has Children.
10. The Romanist tradition and all other human constructions and organizations will be tested and judged on what they did each and collectively with what God gave them. How well did they match up as being conformed to the image of Christ? No appeals to so called spiritual genetic ancestors will avail a gnat's fart's worth of benefit.
BTTT
Thanks Bro.
Nice to see you around once in a while! LOL.
LUB, God's best to you and your family. A FREEPMAIL update would be grand.
Truly, God does not "need" man much less any institution of man to accomplish His will.
However, I also happily receive the promise that everything works together for the good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose. And the Roman Catholic Church - as well as other Christian confessions - are part of that "everything" which works together for the good of those who love God and are called according to His purpose.
As hosepipe puts it, "God didn't come to establish a religion but rather a family."
The religion was already in place from the law and the prophets. Christ came to fulfill the law and the prophets, and neither will change until the new heaven and new earth.
It's all "about" Him, therefore religious labels just don't mean much of anything to me.
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