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St. Peter and Rome
Catholic Exchange.com ^ | 11-15-04 | Amy Barragree

Posted on 10/27/2006 8:14:39 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: 1000 silverlings
Can you read Aramaic

NO,But I know people who can translate for me.

161 posted on 10/28/2006 9:04:15 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi

Cool


162 posted on 10/28/2006 9:06:21 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the Cross)
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To: Diego1618

Didn't I read that Babylon was just a code name for Rome??? But then what do we call Babylon???


163 posted on 10/28/2006 9:08:04 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: stfassisi
Syriac Fathers say Peter was Bishop of Antioch for 30 years

Please post the writings of the Syriac fathers that explicitly say Peter was the Bishop of Antioch for 30 years. Post the actual writings,NOT protestant interpretations please.

Does that mean you want them in the original language?

Perhaps we can help each other. I will help you find all the writings of the Syriac Fathers in that regard, if you will help me find all the writings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers regarding the 25 year Bishopric in Rome? And we will compare them to determine which claim, or if either, is true? What say you?

164 posted on 10/28/2006 9:09:38 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Iscool
But then what do we call Babylon???

History

165 posted on 10/28/2006 9:16:03 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the Cross)
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To: Lil Flower
I have a question for you. Are you a Christian?

Chip's only role here is to be an obnoxious starter of crap.

166 posted on 10/28/2006 9:16:27 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: 1000 silverlings

It has been a pleasure talking with you. I must get back to my studies of the Ante-Nicene Fathers. Tonight its Irenaeus. Have a good evening ----


167 posted on 10/28/2006 9:17:45 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Iscool
both apostles commission was given from someone else...And of course it would be from God...Not Peter

The Great Commission is to evangelize the world, given all the natural apostles by Christ. I am referring to the last chapter of the synoptic gospels. So, I have no argument with that. However, the fact remains that Paul had to establish his credentials and he edscribes how he got them and from whom, in Galatians 2:9.

The Great Commission had nothing to do with Gentiles

Please. I bolded the references to the gentiles.

Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Mt 28:19)

Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (Mark 16:15)

penance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, unto all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)

When Peter had the experience with the Gentile in Acts 10, it was part of the 'transition'

What "transition"? Is it in the scripture or not? Peter baptized the first gentile, Cornelius. Peter received the vision the the whole Creation is clean. Peter, James and John decided that Peter would breach to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles. So, it is incorrect to say that Peter has a limited commission or had nothing to do with the Gentiles.

168 posted on 10/28/2006 9:18:03 PM PDT by annalex
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To: AlaninSA; Uncle Chip

You really should ping the one you are referring too, per FR rules.


169 posted on 10/28/2006 9:20:48 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the Cross)
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To: Uncle Chip; jo kus
Perhaps we can help each other. I will help you find all the writings of the Syriac Fathers in that regard, if you will help me find all the writings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers regarding the 25 year Bishopric in Rome? And we will compare them to determine which claim, or if either, is true? What say you? Certainly, But I doubt we are breaking new ground on this.
170 posted on 10/28/2006 9:21:12 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: AlaninSA

Discuss the issues all you want but do NOT make it personal!


171 posted on 10/28/2006 9:21:59 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: annalex

I'll ponder what you wrote in #128. Had something else in response, but flushed it, could be taken wrong. That took some effort to put that together, and I thank you for it.


172 posted on 10/28/2006 9:25:38 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska

Thank you for your questions.


174 posted on 10/28/2006 9:31:35 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Quix; All

In #123 it should be Armenian Church, one in the country of Armenia, which has nothing to do with a protestant theologian Arminius. Armenia together with Ethiopia hold the distinction of being first countries where Christianity became a state religion, by the way. Rome was third.

Among pre-chalcedon Churches are Coptic, Syrian and Armenian Apostolic (Catholicosate of Cilicia) Churches.

Sorry.


175 posted on 10/28/2006 9:40:20 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

Much appreciate your clarification. Thanks.


176 posted on 10/28/2006 10:14:09 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: annalex; All; Alamo-Girl; .30Carbine; JockoManning; Marysecretary; Iscool; MamaDearest; shield; ...

- The Protestant communities of faith that departed from the Latin rite of the Catholic Church , and continue fracturing themselves. Whatever their accomplishments are, their existence is wholly secondary to the Latin Church of Rome, of whom they received everything they continue to keep.

This is all I meant: that genetically the Protestant communities are children of Rome.
= = = =

I still read and construe history differently.

1. Believers did not receive from organizations and certainly not from human focused; human established; human structured organizations of any kiind or origin--and especially not RELIGIOUS organizations given to lording it over one another.

2. Believers received directly from CHRIST--KING OF KINGS; LORD OF LORDS; RULER OF ALL THAT IS.

3. Further, Christ left His Spirit to carry on a continual daily refilling of each believer; moment guidance of each believers; moment by moment praying always of each believer . . .

4. If anything, a much greater case than being a blessing can be made that particularly the Roman hierarchy and organizational edifice from approximately 200 whatever it really became established has been brutal to believers FAR MORE than it has been supportive and encouraging of them having a DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD

instead of a parasitic relationship with the organization and the hierarchy.

5. Believers everywhere have no SECONDARY EXISTENCE to one another nor to any human organization nor to any congregation.

6. BEFORE THE CROSS IS THE UTMOST OF LEVEL PLAYING FIELDS. Those not willing to be equal before The Cross shall be in danger of losing the benefits of The Cross or at least suffering serioius discip;ines.

7. As best as I can recall, EVERY effort in The Gospels to out rank another even disciple or believer WAS SLAPPED DOWN FIERCELY by Jesus The Christ.

8. There is no genetic delivery of Biblical truth from the Romanist tradition, imho. Whatever good may have filtered to other Christian groups from the Romanist traditions had already been wholesale delivered by Christ and His Spirit directly in a myriad of ways through a myriad of channels throughout the centuries including before the Romanist traditions began in 200 whatever AD.

9. God doesn't have grandchildren. He only has Children.

10. The Romanist tradition and all other human constructions and organizations will be tested and judged on what they did each and collectively with what God gave them. How well did they match up as being conformed to the image of Christ? No appeals to so called spiritual genetic ancestors will avail a gnat's fart's worth of benefit.


177 posted on 10/28/2006 10:29:20 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

BTTT


178 posted on 10/28/2006 10:33:32 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: 185JHP

Thanks Bro.

Nice to see you around once in a while! LOL.

LUB, God's best to you and your family. A FREEPMAIL update would be grand.


179 posted on 10/28/2006 10:36:31 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix; hosepipe
Thank you so much for sharing your testimony and insights and concerns!

Truly, God does not "need" man much less any institution of man to accomplish His will.

However, I also happily receive the promise that everything works together for the good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose. And the Roman Catholic Church - as well as other Christian confessions - are part of that "everything" which works together for the good of those who love God and are called according to His purpose.

As hosepipe puts it, "God didn't come to establish a religion but rather a family."

The religion was already in place from the law and the prophets. Christ came to fulfill the law and the prophets, and neither will change until the new heaven and new earth.

It's all "about" Him, therefore religious labels just don't mean much of anything to me.

180 posted on 10/28/2006 11:24:47 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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