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What Does the Prayer Really Say ^ | October 25, 2006 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 10/25/2006 5:35:19 PM PDT by Frank Sheed

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To: sittnick

Thanks, Rush raises good points. The lib media were like "why doesn't he step down?" or even "why doesn't somebody put him out of his misery?"


61 posted on 10/26/2006 1:58:37 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: BlackElk
If his judgments may differ from my private opinions, I particularly pray for the grace to accept his judgments cheerfully and enthusiastically as gifts from God Whom Benedict XVI serves.

What an excellent sentiment, BlackElk. Me, too!

62 posted on 10/26/2006 2:21:58 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: sittnick; AnAmericanMother; ninenot; Tax-chick; Convert from ECUSA
Admittedly, as usual, I was not paying detailed attention, but I had thought that it was a more direct reference. Perhaps I was wrongI do remember Rush referencing Mary as the Immaculate Conception eight or ten years ago. I do not suggest that Rush is necessarily knowledgeable as to religion generally or even as to Catholicism specifically. My impression is that he was brought up as some sort of Protestant in a prominent family in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, with at least two generations of prosperous lawyers as forebears, but that he was too anxious to be about his life's work to do college.

I do think Rush has good instincts as to the truth about religion as well as politics without being infallible in either. Stranger conversions have occurred. I would not be surprised, if he lives long, if he dies Catholic.

Religion has not been a big part of Rush's life but it may become a much bigger part. St. Augustine was a very substantial sinner late in his short life but, from the time that his mother's siege of heaven was answered by his conversion, he got an awful lot done in the time that remained.

63 posted on 10/26/2006 2:37:08 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Frank Sheed

Well, it's never a bad thing to pray.

Peace, FRiend!


65 posted on 10/26/2006 2:49:59 PM PDT by airborne (If Democrats win in November, America will suffer.)
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To: BlackElk

It seemed that when he was in NYC he spent some time w/Cardinal O'Connor; he was able to negotiate some pretty tricky doctrinal matters clearly on his show when necessary (not often.)

His brother's pastor is/was a FReeper. I think they're Baptist.


66 posted on 10/26/2006 3:02:53 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Notwithstanding; BlackElk; Tax-chick; NYer; Canticle_of_Deborah

>>>>So these are the possibilites:

1. Latin indult.
2. Latin indult requiring bishops who deny permission to justify that denial to Rome in writing.
3. Prohibition of cleansing altar vessels by the non-ordained.

Anything else?<<<

Good points! In today's updated blog post (the comments are running into the 50s, BTW), other possibilities came to the fore:

4. The priest must face ad orientam during Mass
5. All seminarians MUST return to taking the Latin and Greek curriculum of old starting immediately
6. "Pro multis" will be translated "for many" in the new translation of the Mass
7. All masses to be said in Latin (whether the Pian Mass or the Pauline Mass)

Deb, you are correct. The "secret thing" is hokey but I suspect he has promised not to divulge his info so that the people involved are not identified.

Black Elk, your comment on the different Rites of Mass is dead on. Father Zuhlsdorf recently had a nice column on all the Rites in existence until even recently which were all, of course, licit.

Tax, I didn't make this up....only reported it!

F


67 posted on 10/26/2006 4:29:24 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: All

Delighted by your reactions and I thank you
CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 9:50 am

I am delighted by the reaction of those who posted comments on the entry about the good news I have gathered. Most everyone was happy to refer the matter to prayer of praise of God and thanksgiving even before hearing any more details.

Many of us of the more conservative or traditional stripe are starving for good news. Our hunger will sometimes provoke too much enthusiasm about small events on the one hand, and on the other a surliness about the paucity of things we perceive we can rejoice over.

As I said in my other entry, I simply don’t want to talk too much about what I have heard about a few issues. I think you all know the old phrase from wartime: Loose lips sink ships. Making a big splash about something could stir the opposition and lead to our hopes being delayed or derailed. Also, there are confidences to respect. Still, we need to hope for good things in a way that is not expectation macerated in bitterness. I am not trying to tease, just encourage.

So, may I kindly ask you to join again today your petitions to a prayer of thanksgiving in advance? Years ago, I had the opportunity on a couple occasions to say Mass for Mother Theresa’s sisters, who have a center of their activity in Rome next to the Palazzo del Sant’Uffizio where I was working. Mother was there occasionally. I remember her saying that when we pray to God for something we should always thank Him together with the petition. This is what I think we ought to do right now.

You readers will have various hopes pinned to my statement that I have good news. For some people it will be A, for others it will be B or C. What really charges some people up, might leave others a little less than impressed. Suffice to say that I am delighted by what I heard and I will be even more delighted when it is a matter of public record.

In the last couple months I believe we are seeing His Holiness shifting into a higher gear. You might want to go back and put together a list of things that have caught your attention in his speeches and actions in the last couple months, and then sit down and stare at it for a while, absorb it.

This is a very active and thoughtful Pope. He thinks deeply before he speaks and writes. Once he has thought something through, he acts with determination. This gives many of us reason to be very hopeful for all sorts of changes and/affirmations.

Case in point: Think about his Regensburg Address: the Pope has thought for many years about the state of academia in Europe, the necessity of reason in dialogue, the participation of Muslims in Europe and European identity. He thought, he spoke boldly, he did not retract anything. His subsequent clarifications were not retractions, though you can bet that many people around him were wringing their hands and, Wormtongue-like, cooing that perhaps the Holy Father might say he was sorry and didn’t mean what he said. Benedict did not apologize. In contrast, on the question of Limbo, a matter that needs more study and time, Pope Benedict remained entirely silent. He has not come to any decisions and so he did not muddy the waters with something premature.

If you are hopeful about certain pet issues, go back and look at the Pope’s writings over the years to see if he seemed determined and resolved on the basis of sound reasoning. I think you will not be disappointed.

In the meantime, let’s offer another prayer of thanksgiving to God in advance of hearing whatever it is you consider to be good news!


68 posted on 10/26/2006 4:35:34 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Frank Sheed
he has promised not to divulge his info so that the people involved are not identified

Then his sources are gossipping, and breaking confidence, and they're cowards, too. And Father Z-something is gossipping.

Once it's on the Internet, of course, there's no additional problem with posting it here ... but honestly, am I the only one who thinks all this "You didn't hear it from me, but ..." is TACKY?

When there's news from a source who's willing to be quoted, I'll be delighted to react, either with, "Well, that's cool!" or "Sure, whatever."

69 posted on 10/26/2006 5:34:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: Tax-chick
"You didn't hear it from me, but ..." is TACKY?

I think you need a chocolate fudge sundae with extra whipped cream and rainbow sprinkles. I'll just take an extra Guinness. Of course it is melodrama. I admit that freely. It is tabloid blogism. Will Heather get Paul's money?

F

70 posted on 10/26/2006 6:11:31 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Frank Sheed

Sigh. If we had a sundae available, I'd take it :-). I'll just have to make do with a very cheap Australian red wine.

Shoot, there goes Vlad again.

I hope Heather gets the money. Paul's a twerp.


71 posted on 10/26/2006 6:13:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: Tax-chick

I just had two glasses of decent and cheap Australian red wine. I love Australians and their wine. What a marvelous country (and pinot noir)!

F


72 posted on 10/26/2006 6:24:06 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Tax-chick

Vlad is itching to hear Henry V read aloud. Yesterday was St. Crispian's Day, ya know...


73 posted on 10/26/2006 6:26:21 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Tax-chick

Today is the feast of Sts. Crispin and Crispinian, Romans of the 3rd century, who were adopted as the patron saints of cobblers and leather workers. They were beheaded in Gaul around 286. Their names are immortalized in the great speech by King Henry V before the Battle of Agincourt in the homonymous play by Shakespeare (Henry V, IV, iii). Take a moment and read it aloud, to savor each word:

If we are mark’d to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God’s will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires:
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England:
God’s peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more, methinks, would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man’s company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.

OOORAH!


74 posted on 10/26/2006 6:29:06 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Frank Sheed

Good idea. I'll check out Henry V on CD from the library. Der Prinz is supposed to get me a new CD player for the van this weekend, and get my satellite radio installed. High-tech redneck!


75 posted on 10/26/2006 6:29:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: Tax-chick

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers: Vlad and Prinz and Frank, pray tell, shall the morrow cup wine of Australia to toast the hides of those so early lost!


76 posted on 10/26/2006 6:33:36 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Frank Sheed

Printed out. I'll read it to the horde tomorrow; they like a good bit of language.


77 posted on 10/26/2006 6:33:51 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: Frank Sheed

Vlad is fond of a little Oztralian tipple, too. He has three teeth now! He ate some lentil meatloaf for supper, with ketchup.


78 posted on 10/26/2006 6:35:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: Tax-chick

And warrior Vlad of toothed mouth shall partake of the feast of those who have seen St. Osomund's peak: lentils and meat spread thick with blooded syrup of the earth.


79 posted on 10/26/2006 6:38:21 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Notwithstanding

Good and Godly music?


80 posted on 10/26/2006 6:38:56 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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